Re: [Tagging] Day/night speed limits

2017-03-13 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:27:21 -0700 Tod Fitch wrote: > There are a number of roads in Arizona, and perhaps elsewhere, that > have different speed limits for night vs day. You can see some > examples with this search [1]. These are not based on wall clock time > as they vary with the time of sunris

Re: [Tagging] water=pool

2017-03-13 Thread John F. Eldredge
At least in American English, there is an intermediate term, pond, for a body of water smaller than a lake but larger than a mere wide spot in a stream. Ponds can be man-made or natural. On March 13, 2017 4:19:47 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2017-03-13 10:13 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow..

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread John F. Eldredge
Note that cities sometimes also include vacant lots that have not yet been built on, particularly around the outer edges. When I was a child, there was a vacant lot between our house and the next one, because the original landowner had chosen to buy two lots and build on just one of them. They

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 13, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > "brownfield" seems quite misleading as description for a plot formerly > occupied by a house, it would be appropriate for former industrial or > commercial areas with suspected pollution I always understood the definition as "l

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Dalibor Jelínek
Hi, this is not an example of troll tagging. Trolltag is a tag, not a value. landuse=disused is therefore not a troll tag landuse=something + disused=yes here disused=yes woudl be a trolltag as it negates another tag and data consumer must look for this tag to see what is the current status See

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread John F. Eldredge
Yes, that makes sense to me. Nashville, TN, where I live, has purchased some houses that were built in flood plains, demolished them, and doesn't allow anything to be built there now. The tag disused:landuse=residential seems like the logical one to use for those vacant lots. I suspect the foun

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Warin
On 14-Mar-17 04:53 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 13.03.2017 16:57, Andy Townsend wrote: I'm a native English British English speaker, and to me brownfield does not mean just "scheduled for development". It just means "was used for some development but is no longer". It _may_ then be used for somet

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Warin
On 14-Mar-17 09:13 AM, ael wrote: On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 11:55:24AM -0300, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: I favor "landuse=disused". English is not my primary language, but it seems a little contradictory here. "landuse" says that a specific

Re: [Tagging] Landuse and disused

2017-03-13 Thread ael
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 06:53:50PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > On 13.03.2017 15:55, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > > "landuse" says that a specific piece of land is being used for something. > > Then "disused" says that it's being used for nothing. Then how should I tag a quarry in which stone ext

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread ael
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 11:55:24AM -0300, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > I favor "landuse=disused". > > English is not my primary language, but it seems a little contradictory here. > > "landuse" says that a specific piece of land is being

Re: [Tagging] water=pool

2017-03-13 Thread Richard
On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 08:24:35PM +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > I'm looking for a tag for "A small and rather deep collection of (usually) > fresh water, as one supplied by a spring, or occurring in the course of a > stream;" https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pool#English also like > https://en.wikip

Re: [Tagging] Day/night speed limits

2017-03-13 Thread Tod Fitch
That sounds like a reasonable tagging system, I’ll go with it. Thanks! > On Mar 13, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Gsc wrote: > > Hello, > > In Poland, in urban areas, we use maxspeed=50 with > maxspeed:conditional=60 @ 23:00-05:00 (53628 occurrences). So probably > you should tag it using both maxspeed (45

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Tristan Anderson
Thanks for the input everone. I like the idea of grass/scrub/grassland depending on the site if there is no trace of the demolished buildings. If there is still something like a foundation, or slabs of broken concrete or other debris, then it would be tagged as a brownfield. There seems to be

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 13.03.2017 16:57, Andy Townsend wrote: I'm a native English British English speaker, and to me brownfield does not mean just "scheduled for development". It just means "was used for some development but is no longer". It _may_ then be used for something else in the future (you often hear "re

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=courier

2017-03-13 Thread muzirian
On Monday, March 13, 2017, Thilo Haug wrote: > I think I missed the beginning. > Is this tag also about the places where you may pick up your parcels > in case you weren't at home ? > > In this case, amenity would fit, as they usually aren't offices > (I got a station, a laundry and a convenience

Re: [Tagging] Day/night speed limits / taginfo, overpass

2017-03-13 Thread Thilo Haug
Hi Tod, here's an overview of the existing entries : https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/maxspeed%3Aconditional#values And some tagged entities : http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nt2 Cheers, Thilo Am 13.03.2017 um 17:40 schrieb Tod Fitch: > Based on the conditional restrictions pages on the wiki,

Re: [Tagging] Day/night speed limits

2017-03-13 Thread Gsc
Hello, In Poland, in urban areas, we use maxspeed=50 with maxspeed:conditional=60 @ 23:00-05:00 (53628 occurrences). So probably you should tag it using both maxspeed (45 mph) and maxspeed:conditional (40 mph @ dusk-dawn). W dniu 13.03.2017, pon o godzinie 09∶40 -0700, użytkownik Tod Fitch napisa

Re: [Tagging] Day/night speed limits

2017-03-13 Thread Tod Fitch
Based on the conditional restrictions pages on the wiki, I think it might be tagged as: "maxspeed:conditional”="45 mph@dawn-dusk;40 mph@dusk-dawn” Is this correct? (I seem to have a comprehension issue with the conditional tagging syntax). Thanks! > On Mar 13, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Tod Fitch wro

Re: [Tagging] Day/night speed limits

2017-03-13 Thread Thilo Haug
Hi Tod, there's the same in Germany, from Stuttgart to Munich you just got 8pm to 10pm "without" limit. How about maxspeed:10:00-20:00=120 or maxspeed:22:00-06:00=100 This would be the format which is used by opening_hours, just in front of the equal sign. Have no clue if this may be interpreted

[Tagging] Day/night speed limits

2017-03-13 Thread Tod Fitch
There are a number of roads in Arizona, and perhaps elsewhere, that have different speed limits for night vs day. You can see some examples with this search [1]. These are not based on wall clock time as they vary with the time of sunrise and sunset. Suggestions on how to tag the speed limits on

Re: [Tagging] Request for Discussion - Drying_room or Drying_area : Proposal page draft created

2017-03-13 Thread Thilo Haug
Hi all, I created a (separate) proposal page for this, to keep the overview : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/drying Feel free to change it, as it's in draft state, just thought to keep everything together (to me it's difficult to keep track of everything in the mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/03/2017 21:42, Tristan Anderson wrote: ... In the past I have used brownfield, but this is for land scheduled for redevelopment, which is often not the case. I'm a native English British English speaker, and to me brownfield does not mean just "scheduled for development". It just me

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > I favor "landuse=disused". English is not my primary language, but it seems a little contradictory here. "landuse" says that a specific piece of land is being used for something. Then "disused" says that it's being used for nothing. use = no

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=courier

2017-03-13 Thread Thilo Haug
I think I missed the beginning. Is this tag also about the places where you may pick up your parcels in case you weren't at home ? In this case, amenity would fit, as they usually aren't offices (I got a station, a laundry and a convenience shop as an example, for UPS, Hermes and DHL). By the way

Re: [Tagging] New access key for Segway needed - autobalancing:segway=* ?

2017-03-13 Thread Thilo Haug
I know a guy who got a "segway" wheelchair. The acceleration is impressive. ("autobalancing device or *similar technical equipment*") Think if this would become usual (like electric cars do), there might also be restrictions of usage (speed), similar to the Pedelec example. In Germany, law include

Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups --> group_accommodation ?

2017-03-13 Thread Thilo Haug
Hi all, I checked whether there is some word for it. In German, it seems it's called group_house : https://gruppenhausmieten.com https://www.gruppenhaus.de - 5096 Houses https://www.belvilla.de/ferienhaus-gruppen http://www.gruppenhäuser.info https://www.ep-reisen.de/reisen-fuer-gruppen/gruppenha

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-13 14:09 GMT+01:00 Shawn K. Quinn : > On 03/13/2017 07:40 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > > > I favor "landuse=disused". > > That implies that there was previous significant human use, and now > > there is no real use. > > +1 > > I really like this idea; it fixes the issue of using > brownfield

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 03/13/2017 07:40 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > I favor "landuse=disused". > That implies that there was previous significant human use, and now > there is no real use. +1 I really like this idea; it fixes the issue of using brownfield/greenfield, which imply "slated for future development". My

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Greg Troxel
I favor "landuse=disused". That implies that there was previous significant human use, and now there is no real use. As to "if no use, no tag", the point is that there is a difference between knowing that an area is essentially abandoned, vs it being forested or meadow or whatever and being left

Re: [Tagging] New access key for Segway needed

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-13 13:01 GMT+01:00 Max : > Those two contradict. If it is self balancing it needs a motor. there's no contradiction, the law may require a motor or not, regardless what the technical possibilities are to actually perform the balancing action. Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] New access key for Segway needed

2017-03-13 Thread Max
On 2017년 03월 13일 12:17, Dalibor Jelínek wrote: Does it include skateboards, vehicles for disabled? Nope, they do not have that autobalancing device. Do the devices have to have motors? Aparently no. Those two contradict. If it is self balancing it needs a motor. Maybe interesting in this c

Re: [Tagging] New access key for Segway needed

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-13 12:17 GMT+01:00 Dalibor Jelínek : > What is their definition of "segway and similar"? > > It is named “personal transporter with autobalancing device or similar > technical equipment” > > > what about a new access key "pat"? It would be an abbreviation, like it is tradition for acces

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=courier

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10 Mar 2017, at 14:01, Philip Barnes wrote: > > A post office on the other hand is a bank, you go there to withdraw cash, get > foreign currency, tax your car, collect your pension, pick up government > forms, renew your passport. then it's also a bank, these service

Re: [Tagging] New access key for Segway needed

2017-03-13 Thread Dalibor Jelínek
OK. Many questions really. What is their definition of "segway and similar"? It is named “personal transporter with autobalancing device or similar technical equipment” Does it include skateboards, vehicles for disabled? Nope, they do not have that autobalancing device. Do the device

Re: [Tagging] Request for Discussion - Drying_room or Drying_area

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-12 11:14 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson : > +1 to drying-room=yes >> or drying-space=room >> , also it would seem to be a place to dry your motorcycle with the prefix. >> > > I see drying-space=room as being handy. Bonus round is if it starts > getting rendered in default style sheets, it makes t

Re: [Tagging] New access key for Segway needed

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-10 5:46 GMT+01:00 Dalibor Jelínek : > the center of my beautiful city of Prague has been marked in a large scale > recently by new road signs stating > > that use of Segway PT and similar devices is prohibited there. > Wow, this leads to many questions. What is their definition of "segwa

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-12 23:12 GMT+01:00 Andy Townsend : > I'd use "brownfield", both in OSM and more generally, for land that isn't > scheduled for redevelopment yet. "brownfield" seems quite misleading as description for a plot formerly occupied by a house, it would be appropriate for former industrial or

Re: [Tagging] water=pool

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-13 10:13 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > If (when, in Australia) the river stops flowing, these pools become a > water oasis for all. > And if the pool dries up you can dig there for water, if needed. > so where's the distinction to lake? How much is the water flow reduced the

Re: [Tagging] water=pool

2017-03-13 Thread Warin
On 13-Mar-17 07:22 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 12 Mar 2017, at 16:35, althio wrote: Otherwise, if I cannot convince you with that alone, at least expand to "stream_pool", like: natural=water water=lake lake=stream_pool I'd rather use water=stream_pool without the l

Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

2017-03-13 Thread Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami
2017-03-12 22:27 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > sent from a phone > > On 12 Mar 2017, at 17:04, althio wrote: > > Well then as Thilo said, if it is not > "tourism=apartment" > it is > "tourism=chalet" > > > > it is neither, the established tourism tags describe quite specific > accommodati

Re: [Tagging] water=pool

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12 Mar 2017, at 16:35, althio wrote: > > Otherwise, if I cannot convince you with that alone, at least expand > to "stream_pool", like: > > natural=water > water=lake > lake=stream_pool I'd rather use water=stream_pool without the lake deviation, but then it still is

Re: [Tagging] water=pool

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12 Mar 2017, at 16:35, althio wrote: > > > If you don't need a new tag, I would go for > natural=water > water=lake > (and let the size and position of the feature show that it is a small > body of water on a river) > After all, it is a kind of lake, only much smaller ;