Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 01.09.2015 2:20, Warin napisał(a): I and I suspect many others are not familiar with indoor mapping .. and the wiki does not help the beginner here. But the simple mapper wants a tag to describe the building= .. without going into the details of what is inside, the levels, roof ... they w

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread Warin
On 31/08/2015 9:41 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:29:45 +0100 "Dave F." wrote: What's a 'trolltag'? It is not OK to use one tag (for example amenity=hotel) and add second tag that negates or massively change its meaning (for example adding involuntary=yes to amenity=hotel

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Warin
On 1/09/2015 6:38 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 31.08.2015 21:37, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): or different objects: A building:part=supermarket level=-1 B building:part=office_block level=0-6 A 'good idea'. This should be much easier to parse - and it's also 3D friendly. Current Simple

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Warin
On 31/08/2015 11:15 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 30.08.2015 um 16:43 schrieb Severin Menard : Is there a way to tag properly buildings mixing residential and commercial uses (typically shops on the basement opening on the street)? What's the building typology? Shape

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Warin
On 31/08/2015 11:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 31.08.2015 um 00:58 schrieb John Willis : As these are so different from the multi-floor urban-mixed 3-25 story apartment buildings with shops 3 storey buildings are normally quite different to 25 storey buildings for

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread John Willis
> On Aug 31, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > 3 storey buildings are normally quite different to 25 storey buildings for > various reasons (e.g. safety regulations, usage intensity, ...) Is there some easily understood dividing line between a "building" and a "high-rise bu

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 31.08.2015 21:37, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): or different objects: A building:part=supermarket level=-1 B building:part=office_block level=0-6 This should be much easier to parse - and it's also 3D friendly. Current Simple 3D Buildings specification basically tells to slice the b

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 31.08.2015 um 14:17 schrieb Tod Fitch : > > Completed, the look of the buildings is pretty recognizable from the street > with the fairly tall retail floor below and shorter floors of obvious > residential above. I guess it could be confused with a badly designed urban

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:55:27 +0200 > moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > > > On 31/08/2015, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > Is there some method to automate finding who introduced tags? Doing > > > it manually would not be worth the effort. On the other han

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=woodchip to surface=woodchips

2015-08-31 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 18:11:58 +0200 Volker Schmidt wrote: > This is the old "use singular" rule for OSM tags, of which I don't > know the origins and I don't know whether it applies here. In the > English language a "woodchip surface" is made from "woodchips". So > one could argue for either versi

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:55:27 +0200 moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 31/08/2015, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Is there some method to automate finding who introduced tags? Doing > > it manually would not be worth the effort. On the other hand - > > running script to detect users (and/or relevant cha

[Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=woodchip to surface=woodchips

2015-08-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
This is the old "use singular" rule for OSM tags, of which I don't know the origins and I don't know whether it applies here. In the English language a "woodchip surface" is made from "woodchips". So one could argue for either version I suppose. Anyway: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leis

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=woodchip to surface=woodchips

2015-08-31 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:27:33 +0200 Éric Gillet wrote: > In the "Numbers" section, you should correct the second bulletpoint > as it states "amount of surface=dirt" instead of "amount of > surface=woodchips" Done, thanks. ___ Tagging mailing list Taggi

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread Christian Pietzsch
That's why I would prefer a generalized life cycle tagging scheme in the form of a prefix. (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix) For example "disused:highway=cycleway". It would eliminate the need for data consumers to filter for more tags than you need. If you just look for cyclewa

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 31/08/2015, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Good > luck with filtering out proposed=yes, abandoned=yes, vacant=yes, > demolished=yes, construction=yes, empty=yes, ruins=yes, parsing > start_date and end_date etc etc. Case in point: have a look at https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 31.08.2015 um 00:58 schrieb John Willis : > > As these are so different from the multi-floor urban-mixed 3-25 story > apartment buildings with shops 3 storey buildings are normally quite different to 25 storey buildings for various reasons (e.g. safety regulations, us

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 30.08.2015 um 17:05 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : > > For example, how one is supposed to tag building constructed as church, > that is used now for commercial purposes? I d say it depends how the building appears now after the conversion. In doubt I'd use church. chee

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 30.08.2015 um 16:43 schrieb Severin Menard : > > Is there a way to tag properly buildings mixing residential and commercial > uses (typically shops on the basement opening on the street)? What's the building typology? Shape? How many floors? Courtyard/s? Adjacent buil

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 31.08.2015 14:17, Tod Fitch napisał(a): So building=apartments obviously is not accurate. Nor is building=retail. Apartments here are considered commercial so I could see a mapper using building=commercial even though OSM would frown on that. It makes sense to me to tag that building styl

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread Dave Swarthout
Agree with the edit - change soil to dirt. Soil is a word commonly used for potting soil in the U.S. You will also sometimes see the phrase "night soil", an older but once common euphemism for human waste. FWIW, in my part of the U.S. any road that was unpaved was commonly referred to as a dirt ro

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Tod Fitch
In my area there are a number of new buildings either recently completed or still under construction that can only be described as a mixed use type: The street level is steel and concrete construction and designed specifically for retail. Above that are 3 to 5 wood framed floors specifically des

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/31/2015 01:41 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > It is not OK to use one tag (for example amenity=hotel) and add second > tag that negates or massively change its meaning (for example adding > involuntary=yes to amenity=hotel instead of using amenity=prison). > Additional tags should clarify

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread johnw
> On Aug 31, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > >> Totally agree, I support this edit. > > +1, also the definition of 'dirt' should be improved in the wiki (currently > referring back to 'ground'), and 'soil' should be written into the wiki as > deprecated > and not to be used. > > tom +

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread Dave F.
Thank you for clarifying. I wanted to be sure of your meaning before replying: Your suggestion of decreasing the road class is "trolltaging" Please don't do that. Lane closures or access restrictions etc, does not change a road's classification. Please refrain from inventing words such as 't

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-08-31 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:29:45 +0100 "Dave F." wrote: > What's a 'trolltag'? It is not OK to use one tag (for example amenity=hotel) and add second tag that negates or massively change its meaning (for example adding involuntary=yes to amenity=hotel instead of using amenity=prison). Additional tag

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread Andy Townsend
On 31/08/15 11:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:35:24 +0100 "ajt1...@gmail.com" wrote: There are 32 in the UK, by only 2 mappers (both still active but edits are from many years ago). Extrapolating that there have only been probably only 25 mappers using this tag worldwid

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 31/08/2015, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Is there some method to automate finding who introduced tags? Doing it > manually would not be worth the effort. On the other hand - running > script to detect users (and/or relevant changesets) may be a good idea. curl -s 'http://overpass-api.de/api/int

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 31/08/2015, Christoph Hormann wrote: > I would be careful here - 'dirt' is essentially a very vague term which > probably originates from the concept of 'dirt roads' here. 'Soil' in > the other hand is fairly precise, see > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil > > Only parts of the earth surfa

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:35:24 +0100 "ajt1...@gmail.com" wrote: > > > On 31/08/2015 10:00, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I plan to change surface=soil to surface=dirt. surface=soil is a > > clear duplicate of surface=dirt. > > Are you planning to contact the original mappers explaining why, if >

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Matthijs Melissen wrote on 2015-08-31 11:47: On 31 August 2015 at 11:00, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny/surface%3Dsoil_to_surface%3Ddirt I plan to change surface=soil to surface=dirt. surface=soil is a clear duplicate of surfa

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:51:38 +0200 Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Monday 31 August 2015, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > See > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny > >/surface%3Dsoil_to_surface%3Ddirt > > > > I plan to change surface=soil to surface=dirt. surface=so

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 31 August 2015, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > See > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny >/surface%3Dsoil_to_surface%3Ddirt > > I plan to change surface=soil to surface=dirt. surface=soil is a > clear duplicate of surface=dirt. It is also less popular and > u

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 31 August 2015 at 11:00, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > See > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny/surface%3Dsoil_to_surface%3Ddirt > > I plan to change surface=soil to surface=dirt. surface=soil is a clear > duplicate of surface=dirt. It is also less popular and un

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Street area

2015-08-31 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 31 August 2015, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On behalf of the proposal author, I would like to introduce you to > the following proposal, which intends to formalize the area:highway > tag: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_area This proposal has - as a tagging prop

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 31/08/2015 10:00, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I plan to change surface=soil to surface=dirt. surface=soil is a clear duplicate of surface=dirt. Are you planning to contact the original mappers explaining why, if they're still using it, using the same tag to represent the same thing makes se

Re: [Tagging] Construction

2015-08-31 Thread johnw
> On Aug 31, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > > The Gardiner is reduced to 2 lanes (was 3), the speed limit is lowered and it > is causing huge traffic jams. if it is still a motorway, it is a motorway. reduce the lanes and the maxspeed, adjust the alignment of the motorway to be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Street area

2015-08-31 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 31.08.2015 7:54, Tobias Knerr napisał(a): On behalf of the proposal author, I would like to introduce you to the following proposal, which intends to formalize the area:highway tag: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_area The idea to use areas tagged as area:high

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread johnw
> On Aug 31, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think it better to bite the bullet and start sub tagging correctly ... thus > for a retail mixed with apartments I would still like to separate mixed use buildings there there are multiple disparate tenants per building

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread Danijel Schorlemmer
What about building=apartments building:use=residential;commercial (or retail) building=mixed doesn't seem to me to be a useful building tag. The building tag should describe the type of building, not its use. Cheers On Monday, August 31, 2015 10:26:27 AM Warin wrote: > On 31/08/2015 8:58 AM