Re: [Tagging] piste:type=nordic but without underlying track

2012-11-21 Thread OSM
Hello, Am 22.11.2012 00:07, schrieb Michael S: Or take it the other way round: Would it be ok just to remove the highway tag, and would this fullfill requirements of the open piste map guys? The wiki for piste:type gives no clear answer for me. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_fea

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] Zones 30 in Belgium (from )

2012-11-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2012-11-21 22:45, Jo wrote : Adding 1000 nodes to the OSM DB, which are meant to be deleted once again seems like some sort of pollution. I said: non obtrusive. That is, believed to be harmless. That is, not seen on the map, not retrieved by any application, just appearing on both OSMI and

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-21 Thread James Mast
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:50:42 +0100 From: osm...@gmail.com To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction > b. no solution of the exit_to_left yet to support both branches There is a > solution in the form of this proposal that I made awhile ago that nobody

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/21/12 7:32 PM, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 11/21/12 4:00 PM, Anthony wrote: If emergency responders are exempt from access restrictions (which they are in every jurisdiction I've ever read the law on), then the access tags are of limited usefu

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/21/12 7:19 PM, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 11/21/12 4:00 PM, Anthony wrote: The tag is emergency=yes, not access=emergency. This is already documented in the wiki. Emergency is a transport mode, not a type of access. umm, Key:emergency : "Us

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-21 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Hi, Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 22:53:53, A.Pirard.Papou a écrit : > Look at multilinestring, which I see as a swiss-knife way assembly. > > In my mind, such a relation is the way to assign the same tags to a > collection of objects making a whole with regard to those tags. If we > add recursio

[Tagging] piste:type=nordic but without underlying track

2012-11-21 Thread Michael S
Hello all, I have noticed a nordic trail , where a mapper has created a way with these tags: highway=track piste:type=nordic The way has been created just to represent the nordic trail. In summer there is no track at all. There is just a meadow with no imprint or trace of the nordic trail. In

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] Zones 30 in Belgium

2012-11-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2012-11-21 21:40, Ben Laenen wrote : On Wednesday 21 November 2012 21:16:24 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: Can we spend the time you speak of checking that everyone's favorite Inspector is highlighting the errors and that they are not masking other errors or pissing off people. Ugh, this isn't about

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-21 Thread Johan C
Overlooking the discussion so far, I think exit_to cannot be deprecated. However, there's strong feelings to support both destination and exit_to. In my opinion, the following things can be done: 1. keep things the way they are now (where exit_to is the preffered choice, because the text on the mo

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/21/12 4:00 PM, Anthony wrote: If emergency responders are exempt from access restrictions (which they are in every jurisdiction I've ever read the law on), then the access tags are of limited usefulness regardless. they are valuable as a way of storing verified information. Relying on m

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2012-11-21 21:26, Ben Laenen wrote : On Wednesday 21 November 2012 20:52:50 sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: That's the current state of recommendation, but maybe we could start discussing it to see if that's a good idea to apply speed limits on roads inside a bounding polygon Polygons are a bad

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] Zones 30 in Belgium (from )

2012-11-21 Thread Jo
Adding 1000 nodes to the OSM DB, which are meant to be deleted once again seems like some sort of pollution. On the other hand it would be possible to join them to the ways, since the ways need to be split anyway as the maxspeed changes there. Kaly nychta, Polyglot 2012/11/21 A.Pirard.Papou >

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] Zones 30 in Belgium (from )

2012-11-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2012-11-21 14:47, Sander Deryckere wrote : Always take some time, you knew that uploading 1000 POI wasn't going to be appreciated. Uploading bugs to OpenStreetBugs is very easy. A few lines of bash or perl code would do http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBugs/API_0.6#addPOIexec

[Tagging] R: agglom?ration

2012-11-21 Thread Alberto
>How do we tag agglom?rations? What's about the proposal for urban settlements? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Urban_settlements Alberto ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 20:52:50 sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: > That's the current state of recommendation, but maybe we could start > discussing it to see if that's a good idea to apply speed limits on roads > inside a bounding polygon Polygons are a bad idea to map built-up areas. It's not

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium

2012-11-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2012-11-21 14:55, Ben Laenen wrote : On Wednesday 21 November 2012 14:29:31 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: I think I was clear enough presenting the options I knew to help this guy. No replies. Now that I have prepared the quickest option 1, I receive all sorts of contradicting replies. Why not before

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/21/12 2:34 PM, Anthony wrote: I believe we came to an agreement that if the sign says "emergency use only", the tag should be access=no, emergency=yes. If the sign says "do not enter", the tag should be access=no. actually, i'm going to disagree. to label these properly it's important to

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-21 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On mercredi 21 novembre 2012, A.Pirard.Papou wrote: > Hi, Hi, > OSM-talk-fr sounds like associating agglomération and speed limit. I don't think we do. A french "agglomération" implies some speed limits (bellow 50km/h) But speed limits doesn't imply you are in an agglomération. An agglomératio

[Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
Hi, I wanted to map the agglomeration of my village and I am wondering again. http://www.google.be/search?&q=agglomération site:openstreetmap.org -communauté as well as a wiki search returns very va

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [OSM-talk-be] )

2012-11-21 Thread SomeoneElse
(resending as it got rejected the first time) A.Pirard.Papou wrote: I will certainly not manually enter 1000 entries in OpenStreetBugs just in hope. You could use their API: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBugs/API_0.1 (read down to "addPOIexec") But someone may know how to us

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-21 Thread James Mast
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:57:01 -0600 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Stop sign? > Are there examples of traffic signals that don't control all the ways they're > located? With stop signs, typical application only applies to one or two of > the in

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-21 Thread Paul Johnson
Are there examples of traffic signals that don't control all the ways they're located? With stop signs, typical application only applies to one or two of the intersecting ways, not all. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Pieren wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Jo wrote: > > > What I n

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [OSM-talk-be] )

2012-11-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2012-11-20 10:40, A.Pirard.Papou wrote : Hi, A GPS addicts group has encoded a file of over 1000 30 km/h speed limits. Their leader has just discovered OSM, ITO Map, etc... He's promoting security much and would like his data into OSM. I wrote on talk-be that this was doing it the other way r

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [talk-be] )

2012-11-21 Thread Ronnie Soak
If you have a data set of nodes representing street signs, why don't you import them as such? traffic_sign=BE:C43 maxspeed=30 source=? Of course you still need to manually match those to the ways and tag the maxspeed=* to them. But you can use the traffic_sign=* nodes to create a josm filter or e

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [talk-be] )

2012-11-21 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 21/nov/2012 um 11:25 schrieb "A.Pirard.Papou" : > created_by=(erased) > note=temporary node until nearby way speed limit is set > maxspeed=30 > source:maxspeed=http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=123619 > FIXME:tag same maxpeed and source:maxspeed onto the span of nearby way

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [talk-be] )

2012-11-21 Thread SomeoneElse
A.Pirard.Papou wrote: Hi, Thanks for all the replies. I will add those POIs to OSM. The feedback was to tag nodes rather than ways; I'm not sure why you would add want to add "fake" nodes? This post is asking taggers and OSMOSE, OSMI et al customers to check that * the highlighted fake

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [talk-be] )

2012-11-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
Hi, Thanks for all the replies. I will add those POIs to OSM. This post is asking taggers and OSMOSE, OSMI et al customers to check that * the highlighted fake node's tags are correct and everything that's needed for the genuine way's tag * the nodes are, /*or what should be changed to be*

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-21 Thread Jo
I (would) do this mostly for consistency. I have to admit I never HAD to do it, most stop signs in Belgium are used for their intended purpose: give priority to the main road, not inhibit all traffic arriving at an intersection. A node on the way approaching a main road is unambiguous enough. One

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-21 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Jo wrote: > What I never do anymore is to tag the node of the crossing with it. So even > if all 4 roads have a stop sign, I'd create for nodes for them on all > approaches. Are you doing the same for traffic_signals ? if not, why simply not accept that such sig

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-21 Thread Gregory Williams
> -Original Message- > From: Kytömaa Lauri [mailto:lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi] > Sent: 21 November 2012 08:51 > To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Stop sign? > > > >Can we start using relations for this already? Really seems like that provides > the speci

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-21 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
>Can we start using relations for this already? Really seems like that >provides the specifics we want for this. So far nobody has provided a real world example of a place where the simple distance-to-next would not be correct. If somebody does that, then a relation could be made up. >>>high