Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Jerry Hastings
At 01:31 AM 1/18/2003 -0500, Patrick Narkinsky wrote: ...In general, databases of factual information are not copyrightable Be careful with that. Take a digital camera and click the button to make a picture. At that point what happens is "mechanical", and each pixel produced conveys a "fac

Re: [sword-devel] Re: [sword-cvs] The Sword Project for Palm OS?

2003-01-18 Thread Paul Gould
Fabulous, indeed! My Java skills are pretty bad, but, from what I've seen of the code, it's pretty straight-forward. Diaspora doesn't seem to be able to export the Thompson Chain References (unless I'm not doing something right), and this was what I really wanted to incorporate, but, there's a wa

Re: [sword-devel] Re: [sword-cvs] The Sword Project for Palm OS?

2003-01-18 Thread David Trotz
I think this is a great idea! It was my hearts desire to start a PalmOS port of Sword a while back. But after some looking into the possibility I found Poetry's bible reader (actually I think Chris told me about it.) We decided to link to Poetry's web site. About six months ago Poetry told me about

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Chris Little
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver wrote: > On Saturday 18 January 2003 04:28 pm, Chris Little wrote: > > It's essentially because you're enjoying fruits of another's > > creativity rather than making something up yourself (or enjoying the > > fruits of the creativity of s

[sword-devel] SWIG Perl

2003-01-18 Thread Chad Snow
Can someone tell me how to create a module in SWIG Perl? I try and follow the example given but I get an error message like this: Usage: xText_createModule(self,path,blockBound); Can any one help? Thanks Chad ___ sword-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver
On Saturday 18 January 2003 04:28 pm, Chris Little wrote: > There is no need to represent the whole story in order to be a derivative > work. One may represent a single scene, as I described. The drawing on > the cover of a novel is (if it bears any relation to the content of the > writing at all

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Daniel Russell
The quotes don't need to be whole verses. You can't copyright individual words, but a concordance contains every word (or at least far beyond fair use coverage). Whether they explicitly state the context or not (by quoting the whole verse, e.g.) context is easily reconstructed. They rarely c

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Chris Little
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Daniel Russell wrote: > Personally i find it hard to believe that most courts would sustain > these arguments considering the fact that a person can play a rift from > a song, in fact the exact tune from a song, and change the words, and > call it a parody. Contrarily, I c

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2003-01-18 Thread Pavlo Bohmat
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Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Matthew Donadio
Joel Mawhorter wrote: > > I'm not sure if this clears things up, but if you read the NIV copyright > > page, they specificially state that commentaries and reference works > > based on the NIV for commercial purposes require written premission from > > the publisher. > > Where did you see this? In

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Joel Mawhorter
On January 18, 2003 04:15, Chris Little wrote: > A concordance is the quotation of an entire work. It doesn't matter how > you re-order it or in what manner you change the text, it is still > derived. Furthermore, the examples given are specifically of types of > derivative works that are eligib

Re: [sword-devel] Re: [sword-cvs] The Sword Project for Palm OS?

2003-01-18 Thread Chris Little
The files are at http://www.crosswire.org/crosswire/palmbible/ in fact. I've changed the CrossWire webpage to reflect this fact and give the smalled bit of background to the subject. --Chris On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Martin Gruner wrote: > Hey guys, > > not sure, but I guess you may want to disc

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Joel Mawhorter
On January 18, 2003 08:53, Matthew Donadio wrote: > Joel Mawhorter wrote: > > While the topics of copyrights and derivative works are fresh on > > everyone's mind I thought I would ask a question. Does anyone know what > > the U.S. laws are regarding producing a derative work based on a > > copyrig

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Daniel Russell
Matthew Donadio wrote: Joel Mawhorter wrote: While the topics of copyrights and derivative works are fresh on everyone's mind I thought I would ask a question. Does anyone know what the U.S. laws are regarding producing a derative work based on a copyrighted work? For example, could I create a

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Daniel Russell
Chris Little wrote: A concordance is the quotation of an entire work. It doesn't matter how you re-order it or in what manner you change the text, it is still derived. I think the examples were intended to show the *spirit* of the law. They were not intended to be an exhaustive list but a *re

Re: [sword-devel] Re: [sword-cvs] The Sword Project for Palm OS?

2003-01-18 Thread Paul Gould
Thanks, and apologies. Chris! If you're monitoring this list, please let me know where the files reside I'm home with the flu, and need something to do might as well scrape a few cobwebs of this old brain! Regards to all & God Bless, Paul - All incoming and outgoing email is scanne

[sword-devel] Re: [sword-cvs] The Sword Project for Palm OS?

2003-01-18 Thread Martin Gruner
Hey guys, not sure, but I guess you may want to discuss this on sword-devel rather than here on sword-cvs, which is not a discussion channel. I'm cc'ing this message. But after Poetry Poon decided to close his sources and go commercial, Chris Little made a snapshot of all the files that were a

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Matthew Donadio
Joel Mawhorter wrote: > While the topics of copyrights and derivative works are fresh on everyone's > mind I thought I would ask a question. Does anyone know what the U.S. laws > are regarding producing a derative work based on a copyrighted work? For > example, could I create a NIV concordence wit

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Patrick Narkinsky
Thus spake "Chris Little"> : > If you make B out of A, then B is a derivative of A. If you make a > concordance of the NIV, it necessarily requires use of the NIV--that is > words themselves--so it is a derivative. If you took an ASCII text of the > NIV, gzipped it, uuencoded it, fed the result

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Chris Little
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Daniel Russell wrote: > NONE of these examples listed by the copyright webpage are like a > concordance. The examples are not exhaustive. They are, rather, I suspect, the most common examples. > A concordance is a precipitation of facts, not a remolding of a work. In > th

Re: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Daniel Russell
Chris Little wrote: According to the US Code Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 101: A ''derivative work'' is a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abrid

RE: [sword-devel] Copyrights and derivative works

2003-01-18 Thread Stephen Denne
Joel, I currently have a concordance (for PalmOS) of the NIV available for download. My investigation of the copyright laws have led me to believe that a concordance is a collection of facts. A complete unabridged concordance contains no creativity in the selection of facts, so is not a copyrighta