[Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Kan Kaban
Greetings to all Sursound list. First of all, thanks for all this years supporting Ambisonics. We´re a collective of audiovisual artists preparing for our next project. We have been researching ambisonics for the last few moths, seeding the possibility of it´s implementation. There are still so

Re: [Sursound] , ambi playback configution and calibration

2013-09-26 Thread Peter Lennox
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Re: [Sursound] , ambi playback configution and calibration

2013-09-26 Thread Eero Aro
Given how difficult it seems to be for billions of people to set up a 5.1 system, surely there must be a market? Possibly not exactly what you are looking for, but Genelec has software for their DSP-speakers: http://www.genelec.com/learning-center/key-technologies/dsp-monitoring-systems/autoca

Re: [Sursound] , ambi playback configution and calibration

2013-09-26 Thread Eero Aro
Here: SpeakerAngle http://www.audioappsstore.com/ Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound

Re: [Sursound] , ambi playback configution and calibration

2013-09-26 Thread Richard Dobson
There is still a little time - James Moorer wrote in his paper "Audio in the New Millennium" (JAES 2000): "In 2020 loudspeakers will know where they are". I suppose the other point to make is that those billions of people are blissfully unaware that a 5.1 system is "difficult to set up". It j

Re: [Sursound] , ambi playback configution and calibration

2013-09-26 Thread Marc Lavallée
Why waiting until 2020? It should be possible with available technologies. A Kinect camera (or two spaced cameras) could be used to detect the positions of the speakers from the listener's point of view, then the same Kinect could be placed in front of the listener to report its listening position

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 09/26/2013 09:21 AM, Kan Kaban wrote: Greetings to all Sursound list. First of all, thanks for all this years supporting Ambisonics. We´re a collective of audiovisual artists preparing for our next project. We have been researching ambisonics for the last few moths, seeding the possibility of

Re: [Sursound] , ambi playback configution and calibration

2013-09-26 Thread Richard Dobson
The point of that paper (as I read it, anyway) was not whether the technologies may or may not be available in 2020, but that they would be established and embedded such they they are almost routine, barely noticeable. In the way, for example, that taking a picture using your mobile phone is no

Re: [Sursound] , ambi playback configution and calibration

2013-09-26 Thread Gavin Kearney
l the encode/decode works, > something I haven't had time to do above 2nd order. > > > > If only there was more time, things got done quicker, or someone was > paying for the work by the hour. > > > > Ciao, > > > > Dave Hunt > &

Re: [Sursound] , ambi playback configution and calibration

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Chapman
> And, it has to be ~standard~ so that any player can talk > with any speaker. > > Richard Dobson > An interesting idea ( ... patents ... ) Ma daughter had to spend the last afternoon before a foreign trip driving into 'th big city' to get a new charger cable for her iPhone-Y, because she couldn

[Sursound] Pickup pattern pictures?

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Dunn
Can anyone point me to some good images (that I can reprint) of Ambisonic mic pickup patterns? I need some for a little EDN article I'm writing. Thanks! Michael ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinf

Re: [Sursound] , ambi playback configution and calibration

2013-09-26 Thread Marc Lavallée
e to able to > > generate something to listen to to assess how well the > > encode/decode works, something I haven't had time to do above 2nd > > order. > > > > > > If only there was more time, things got done quicker, or someone > >

[Sursound] Archives of Electric Spring Festival

2013-09-26 Thread Pierre Alexandre Tremblay
Dear all Sorry for cross-posting but I am very happy that we finally released the archives of the festival Monty Adkins and I have been running for a certain time now… the new edition will have stunning stuff too, but it is too early to announce, so in the meantime, feel free to visit our fresh

Re: [Sursound] , ambi playback configution and calibration

2013-09-26 Thread Aaron Heller
ambisonic playback using one of these at a recent Bay Area Immersive Audio Meetup. It sounded quite good. Aaron (hel...@ai.sri.com) Menlo Park, CA US -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/2013

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Kan Kaban
Thanks for your reply Jörn. You´ll have to excuse my basic english sentences, as it´s not my primary language. > "A-format" panning as you call it has nothing to do with ambisonics per se, > and the term frankly doesn't make much sense. > the module you mention is a simple amplitude panner. > >

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Aaron Heller
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Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Eero Aro
Well, if there is some kind of B-format analogue panner we would also like to learn about it´s design Audio & Design sold a Pan-Rotate Unit. There is a picture of it down here: http://www.ambisonic.net/branwell_arb.html The Soundfield microphone directional controls aren't exactly panning. The

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread David McGriffy
If you have any kind of calibration involved, rotating before running the A to B process makes that calibration meaningless. In fact, I'd say that one of the main reasons B-format exists is precisely that it makes processing like rotations a reasonable and general thing to do. David McGriffy

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Eero Aro
David McGriffy wrote: On 9/26/2013 2:15 PM, Eero Aro wrote: Well, if there is some kind of B-format analogue panner we would also like to learn about it´s design Wrong quote, I didn't write that. - - - However, here you are: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22100835/Audio_Design_Ambison

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:20:16PM -0500, Kan Kaban wrote: > Yes, I know there´s no ambisonics until there is. The idea of amplitude > panning, during A format stage, is to simplify an analogue path before > b-format exists. A-format panning means that the panner has to emulate the polar pattern

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
hi all! re-reading my post, i notice that it could be construed as somewhat hostile in tone. this was unintended, and i'd like to apologise if anybody has taken offense. On 09/26/2013 02:01 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 09/26/2013 09:21 AM, Kan Kaban wrote: Our initial idea is to keep s

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Kan Kaban
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Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Kan Kaban
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Re: [Sursound] [allowed] Re: A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Gerard Lardner
Isn´t it?. Soundfield´s MKV looks beautiful & very interesting too. Regards, Gino. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130926/fc64442b/attachment.html> _

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Chapman
Mathematically, _if_ you have a perfect A-format signal set (from some theoretical tetrahedral mic) then it can be panned. For the _simple_ case of a yaw of X degrees, then A' = ( A(1+cosX) + B(-sinX) + C(sinX) + D(1-cosX) ) /2 B' = ... etc. _I_think_ (this was very quick on the back of an envel

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Chapman
> > Mathematically, > _if_ you have a perfect A-format signal set (from some theoretical > tetrahedral mic) then it can be panned. > For the _simple_ case of a yaw of X degrees, then > A' = ( A(1+cosX) + B(-sinX) + C(sinX) + D(1-cosX) ) /2 > B' = ... > etc. > _I_think_ (this was very quick on the