Re: [Sursound] Unpleasant things ...

2012-10-13 Thread Dave Malham
I quite like number four - "ruler on bottle" Dave On 12 October 2012 20:16, Michael Chapman wrote: > A bit OT for surround (I think they work in mono;-)>, but > maybe of interest to some: > > Noises off-putting: unpleasant sounds and science | Dean Burnett > guardian.co.uk, 11 Oct 2012 > By

Re: [Sursound] Uniformity of hemispherical LS layout

2012-10-13 Thread Fabio Kaiser
There are hemispherical only systems out there. So layouts that use loudspeakers in the upper hemisphere only. Sorry for unclearness. Am 13.10.2012 um 08:57 schrieb Dave Malham: > Hi Fabio, >Did you actually mean that "there are only hemispherical > ambisonics systems out there" or am I m

[Sursound] Auro 3D

2012-10-13 Thread Dave Hunt
Hi, I've never heard Auro 3D, though it does seem to have some adherents. I haven't waded through all of their "Auro3D-Octopus-White-Paper" but found the first nine pages thought provoking. http://www.auro-technologies.com/uploads/Auro3D-Octopus-White-Paper- v2-7-2017.pdf It conclude

Re: [Sursound] [ot] new and interesting words

2012-10-13 Thread Michael Chapman
> > as an aside (and without looking it up) ossuary clearly means some official receptacle for bones, I would guess? > Dr Peter Lennox > What I find fascinating is words that are either absent, or if present rarely used but replaced by compounds. Things like 'foot-fingers' (French) and 'hand-shoe

Re: [Sursound] Something for the Weekend - Commerical 3D sound

2012-10-13 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: As this was in a session on next gen MPEG format, and header specification in MPEG among other things... If I remembers correctly there was a possibility to specify that the audio format was - WFS - 5.1 - 7.1 - 22.1 No possibility to carry pure ambisonics using our d

Re: [Sursound] Something for the Weekend - Commerical 3D sound

2012-10-13 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: As this was in a session on next gen MPEG format, and header specification in MPEG among other things... If I remembers correctly there was a possibility to specify that the audio format was - WFS - 5.1 - 7.1 - 22.1 No possibility to carry pure ambisonics using our def

Re: [Sursound] Auro 3D

2012-10-13 Thread David Pickett
At 05:51 13/10/2012, Dave Hunt wrote: I have long been dubious of the common practice of turning all PA amplifiers up to full and doing all level adjustments prior to that, often at the mixer. This increases the gain of system noise, hums etc. It can also mean that the mixer is working at a fair

Re: [Sursound] Auro 3D

2012-10-13 Thread Michael Chapman
> At 05:51 13/10/2012, Dave Hunt wrote: > >>I have long been dubious of the common practice of turning all PA >>amplifiers up to full and doing all level adjustments prior to that, >>often at the mixer. This increases the gain of system noise, hums >>etc. It can also mean that the mixer is working

Re: [Sursound] [ot] new and interesting words

2012-10-13 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 01:56:04PM -, Michael Chapman wrote: > What I find fascinating is words that are either absent, or if present > rarely used but replaced by compounds. > > Things like 'foot-fingers' (French) and 'hand-shoes' (German) > and by comparison 'sibling' (English) which is ra

Re: [Sursound] Auro 3D

2012-10-13 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 05:26:57PM -, Michael Chapman wrote: > Because the knobs on the amp's are at the other end of the > room (or if not there, it would mean bending one's back). Modern PA gear is remote-controlled and monitored. And even if not, that's no excuse :-) Ciao, -- FA A wor

Re: [Sursound] Auro 3D

2012-10-13 Thread Jascha Narveson
Yeah - can you name some venues that do this? I want to know which ones to avoid! On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:43 PM, David Pickett wrote: > At 05:51 13/10/2012, Dave Hunt wrote: > >> I have long been dubious of the common practice of turning all PA >> amplifiers up to full and doing all level adj

Re: [Sursound] [ot] new and interesting words

2012-10-13 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Michael Chapman wrote: > *I remember being told there was no direct English translation, > when I first learnt German ;-(> For 'sibling'? This is indeed true, if used as a singular. You may have 'siblings' (Geschwister) in German but if it's just one then it's either a brother or a sister. For t

Re: [Sursound] Auro 3D

2012-10-13 Thread John Leonard
Most commonly, I've come across this in PA systems hired in by performers: the most heinous being that of a concert for a friend of mine, where the balance engineer (a studio engineer, not a live sound one, which didn't help) could barely lift the faders without the system going into feedback. W

Re: [Sursound] Auro 3D

2012-10-13 Thread Dan
It is standard practice to have 0db attenuation on the amplifiers driving a PA system. Level control will be done on the DSP managing the speakers. In a system with multiple amplifiers, driving different components, this is the only way to adjust the overall level accurately and quickly. Dan And

Re: [Sursound] Auro 3D

2012-10-13 Thread John Leonard
Non-existent on the systems I'm talking about. John On 13 Oct 2012, at 20:16, "Dan" wrote: > Level control will be done on the DSP managing the speakers. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/surs

Re: [Sursound] [ot] new and interesting words

2012-10-13 Thread Michael Chapman
> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 01:56:04PM -, Michael Chapman wrote: > >> What I find fascinating is words that are either absent, or if present >> rarely used but replaced by compounds. >> >> Things like 'foot-fingers' (French) and 'hand-shoes' (German) >> and by comparison 'sibling' (English) which

Re: [Sursound] Somting for the Weekend - Commerisal 3D sound

2012-10-13 Thread Richard Lee
> well, depends. iirc, theile's argument is that a two-speaker phantom source > should be a mess in terms of spectrum, but isn't (as two-speaker stereophony > demonstrates). so for some reason, the brain is able to sort it out. more > than two correlated sources, and things go awry, e.g. L/C/R

Re: [Sursound] Auro 3D

2012-10-13 Thread Michael Chapman
> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 05:26:57PM -, Michael Chapman wrote: > >> Because the knobs on the amp's are at the other end of the >> room (or if not there, it would mean bending one's back). > > Modern PA gear is remote-controlled and monitored. And even if > not, that's no excuse :-) > No, no, n

Re: [Sursound] Auro 3D

2012-10-13 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 10/13/2012 06:43 PM, David Pickett wrote: At 05:51 13/10/2012, Dave Hunt wrote: I have long been dubious of the common practice of turning all PA amplifiers up to full and doing all level adjustments prior to that, often at the mixer. This increases the gain of system noise, hums etc. It can

Re: [Sursound] Auro 3D

2012-10-13 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 10/14/2012 01:09 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 10/13/2012 06:43 PM, David Pickett wrote: At 05:51 13/10/2012, Dave Hunt wrote: I have long been dubious of the common practice of turning all PA amplifiers up to full and doing all level adjustments prior to that, often at the mixer. This i

Re: [Sursound] Hybrid Hi-Fi (HyFi?), IRs, etc.

2012-10-13 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2012-10-05, Richard Furse wrote: To be honest, low order hasn't been a massive priority for gaming/VR - on most modern boxes we're rendering and decoding at fourth order, so all the cool new stuff is enabled. Tell me... In games most of the individual sound sources, apart from general amb

Re: [Sursound] Take a Load off Intel (and put the Load on IC)

2012-10-13 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2012-10-05, Eric Carmichel wrote: (Ville, once again the reason why I linked you in is to be found lower down the post.) Surround controllers, on the other hand, are generally limited in their number of channels or become expensive. One solution to my 'dilemma' was to use a DAW surface co