Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/11/2011 01:03 AM, Gerard Lardner wrote: There was a discussion about speakers for Ambisonics a few years ago. I can't remember exactly when. But I do seem to recall that it was suggested that speakers having a single axis (e.g. a single, wide-range driver or concentric drivers) would be bet

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/11/2011 03:24 AM, Pedro Lopes wrote: The situation: ambisonics 3d setup for 3d audio. 8 channels, cube setup (a quad above the other). The room is 3x3 meters wide. be sure to try the bi-rectangle as well. Speaker choice/budget restrictions: active speakers. Yamaha hs50 or mackie mr5. 15

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/03/2011 09:29 AM, Aaron Heller wrote: 2011/5/2 Jörn Nettingsmeier: those "slightly more speakers than necessary" cases are a bit tricky... first order over a 24 hemisphere is horrible, At the 2008 demo I wrote about, other that the anomaly at the exact center, I thought it sounded prett

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/11/2011 03:42 AM, Marc Lavallée wrote: I like this idea of a full-sphere bass setup. There would be 3 (small) subs on the floor (front-left, front-right, rear-center) and one on the ceiling (like a Z bass channel). i doubt the Z in bass will buy you much. it might even be detrimental, b

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Marc Lavallée
Le 12 mai 2011 13:46:56, Jörn Nettingsmeier a écrit : > On 05/11/2011 03:42 AM, Marc Lavallée wrote: > > I like this idea of a full-sphere bass setup. There would be 3 (small) > > subs on the floor (front-left, front-right, rear-center) and one on the > > ceiling (like a Z bass channel). > > i dou

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/12/2011 07:55 PM, Marc Lavallée wrote: Le 12 mai 2011 13:46:56, Jörn Nettingsmeier a écrit : On 05/11/2011 03:42 AM, Marc Lavallée wrote: I like this idea of a full-sphere bass setup. There would be 3 (small) subs on the floor (front-left, front-right, rear-center) and one on the ceiling

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 07:16:41PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 05/11/2011 01:03 AM, Gerard Lardner wrote: >> There was a discussion about speakers for Ambisonics a few years ago. I >> can't remember exactly when. But I do seem to recall that it was >> suggested that speakers having a sing

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 07:46:56PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: >> Is it acceptable if the mid-high speakers go down to 150Hz while the >> subs go up to 700Hz? What would be an appropriate upper frequency limit >> for the subs? How to adjust all the decoders to handle different and >> overlapp

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/12/2011 10:42 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: I guess it depends all on the size of the array. If you're sitting 1.5 meters from a speaker then having the LF and HF drivers apart by 0.4 m or so isn't going to help and something like the KEF eggs would be a better idea. I've heard 32 of them in

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:48:34PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 05/12/2011 10:42 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > >> I guess it depends all on the size of the array. If you're sitting >> 1.5 meters from a speaker then having the LF and HF drivers apart >> by 0.4 m or so isn't going to help and

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread David Worrall
On 13/05/2011, at 3:35 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 05/03/2011 09:29 AM, Aaron Heller wrote: >> 2011/5/2 Jörn Nettingsmeier: >> >>> those "slightly more speakers than necessary" cases are a bit tricky... >>> first order over a 24 hemisphere is horrible, >> >> At the 2008 demo I wrote about

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Pedro Lopes
Thanks for the responses Jörn, they area most helpful. I will try the bi-rectangle as well, I was talking bout that layout in another thread here by the way :) Best, Pedro 2011/5/12 Jörn Nettingsmeier : > Jörn -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/03/2011 03:04 AM, Aaron Heller wrote: I believe the reasoning is that when there are many speakers producing almost the same signal, you get more comb filtering effects when moving out of the sweet spot. This is discussed in Solvang, Audun. "Spectral Impairment of Two-Dimensional Highe

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/12/2011 11:13 PM, David Worrall wrote: On 13/05/2011, at 3:35 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: ah well, bad choice of words. "below expectations" would have been better. the IEM cube (24 speaker hemisphere) I looked at the photo here: http://iem.at/services/studios/cube And I fail to see a

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 07:13:49AM +1000, David Worrall wrote: > I looked at the photo here: http://iem.at/services/studios/cube > And I fail to see a hemisphere. > In any event, how does a cube become hemispheric? Or is this just a flowery > use of language? That picture is a 'panoramic view',

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread David Worrall
On 13/05/2011, at 7:26 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 07:13:49AM +1000, David Worrall wrote: >> I looked at the photo here: http://iem.at/services/studios/cube >> And I fail to see a hemisphere. >> In any event, how does a cube become hemispheric? Or is this just a flowery