Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-12 Thread Andy Furniss
dw wrote: http://www.gbcasa.org/cms/audio/Griesinger-Binaural-Hearing-EarCanals-Headphones.ppt http://www.stereophile.com/content/spacethe-final-frontier-letters-2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/researchanddevelopment/2013/03/listen-up-binaural-sound.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/r

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread dw
On 11/11/2013 22:25, dw wrote: On 11/11/2013 15:39, Andy Furniss wrote: dw wrote: There of plenty of reasons why Ambisonics and binaural should not work well, but it can sound ok to me on My £11 cans.. Interesting can you expand a bit? Here are some links: Try again... http://www.gbcasa

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread dw
On 11/11/2013 15:39, Andy Furniss wrote: dw wrote: There of plenty of reasons why Ambisonics and binaural should not work well, but it can sound ok to me on My £11 cans.. Interesting can you expand a bit? Here are some links: http://www.gbcasa.org/cms/audio/Griesinger-Binaural-Hearing-EarCa

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Eero Aro
ITU made a recommendation (in around 1992-94) for surround speaker layouts. It is called "ITU-R BS.775-3" http://www.itu.int/rec/R-REC-BS.775-3-201208-I I am not aware of any specific _standard_ for the placement of surround sound speakers. Many have followed the ITU recommendation, for exampl

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Stefan Schreiber
[Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1 Well, people seem to agree that -30º is LF, (+)30º is RF. -30º and 330º seems to be the same, so what? (Kind of annoyed! Could we agree on a recommendation that positive elevation figures < should be > located in the upper hemisphere, negative ele

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Andrew Castiglione
-Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Stefan Schreiber Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:57 AM To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1 Well, people seem to agree that -30º is LF, (+)30º is RF. -30º and

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Well, people seem to agree that -30º is LF, (+)30º is RF. -30º and 330º seems to be the same, so what? (Kind of annoyed! Could we agree on a recommendation that positive elevation figures < should be > located in the upper hemisphere, negative elevation somewhere "down"? Just to avoid any fur

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Eero Aro
Richard Dobson: there is also the CDP MultiChannel Toolkit Yes, thanks for that Richard. It was only last week when I used Interlx for another thing. Very powerful and fast, even though I am not very good with command line applications. Anyway, Left Front of my samples seemed to be the only fa

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Andy Furniss
dw wrote: There of plenty of reasons why Ambisonics and binaural should not work well, but it can sound ok to me on My £11 cans.. Interesting can you expand a bit? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4elj3wj9wzd9rr2/Untitled.mp3 May I ask how you made that and which hrtf? I've got that somewhere so

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Richard Dobson
On 11/11/2013 14:34, Eero Aro wrote: David Wareing wrote: Can't any of you guys actually play it! Actually I find that a little bit amusing. :-) Sorry. But there really is something wrong with my files. I think I need to delete all of the files from Dropbox. First: A file player in Audiomulc

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread dw
On 11/11/2013 14:34, Eero Aro wrote: David Wareing wrote: Can't any of you guys actually play it! Actually I find that a little bit amusing. :-) Sorry. The pleasure is alll mine! But there really is something wrong with my files. I think I need to delete all of the files from Dropbox. Fi

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Eero Aro
David Wareing wrote: Can't any of you guys actually play it! Actually I find that a little bit amusing. :-) Sorry. But there really is something wrong with my files. I think I need to delete all of the files from Dropbox. First: A file player in Audiomulch doesn't open or play my files, befor

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread dw
On 11/11/2013 12:48, Eero Aro wrote: Dave Malham: Oh - I see, the naming of the files implies LF and simultaneously that it is 330 degrees...which is it, Eero? The Harpex display shows it (LF 330) at RF 30 deg.. Can't any of you guys actually play it! There of plenty of reasons why Ambiso

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Eero Aro
Dave Malham: Oh - I see, the naming of the files implies LF and simultaneously that it is 330 degrees...which is it, Eero? LF. Funnily though, Dave. I made it with your B-Pan plugin. The Azimuth control of the plugin at 330 degrees points to Left Front. Eero _

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Dave Malham
Oh - I see, the naming of the files implies LF and simultaneously that it is 330 degrees...which is it, Eero? Dave On 11 November 2013 12:05, Dave Malham wrote: > Umm - it should be on the right - degrees in Ambisonics are not given as > in navigational systems. They go anticlockwise, with

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Dave Malham
Umm - it should be on the right - degrees in Ambisonics are not given as in navigational systems. They go anticlockwise, with 90 degrees being due left and 270 being due right. Dave On 10 November 2013 23:15, Andy Furniss wrote: > Eero Aro wrote: > >> Thanks for the correction Andy! Shame

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-11 Thread Eero Aro
I don't have a proper ambisonic set up, but can listen with hrtfs using ATK + Supercollider. To me this one sounds on the right rather than the left. I hope someone else would also give it a try and tell us, where they hear it coming from. It isn't a bad idea to use an Ambisonic setup for an A

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-10 Thread Andy Furniss
Eero Aro wrote: Thanks for the correction Andy! Shame on me... :-) thanks for taking the time to make these. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22100835/LF_330_dgr.wav I don't have a proper ambisonic set up, but can listen with hrtfs using ATK + Supercollider. To me this one sounds on t

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-10 Thread Eero Aro
Thanks for the correction Andy! Shame on me... If any Mac-user on the list can give Alvin some advice, how to download the files, please tell him. I don't know. In the PC you click with the right mouse button and select "save target" Now uploading the LF and RF signals: https://dl.dropboxus

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-10 Thread Eero Aro
ITU775 has FL/R at 30 degrees not 45. Oops. Where's that RED smiley??? I should have known and remembered that. I don't know what I was thinking. I'll make new files at +/- 30. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.v

Re: [Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-10 Thread Andy Furniss
Eero Aro wrote: I am afraid I binned the discussion thread about the test signals. However, if anybody's interested, I made quickly a couple of files. I panned a pink noise pulse train into the speaker directions of ITU775, the 5.1 layout. The files are 44.1 kHz/16 bit four channel wav:s. The Z

[Sursound] B-Format test signals 5.1

2013-11-10 Thread Eero Aro
I am afraid I binned the discussion thread about the test signals. However, if anybody's interested, I made quickly a couple of files. I panned a pink noise pulse train into the speaker directions of ITU775, the 5.1 layout. The files are 44.1 kHz/16 bit four channel wav:s. The Z channel has no c