[Starlink] The FCC 2024 Section 706 Report, GN Docket No. 22-270 is out!

2024-02-26 Thread Dave Taht via Starlink
And... Our bufferbloat.net submittal was cited multiple times! Thank you all for participating in that process! https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-400675A1.pdf It is a long read, and does still start off on the wrong feet (IMHO), in particular not understanding the difference between id

[Starlink] Comprehensive Measurement Study on Starlink Performance Published

2024-02-26 Thread Nitinder Mohan via Starlink
Hi folks, Our comprehensive multifaceted measurement study looking at Starlink global and last-mile performance is now available online:  https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.09242.  TL;DR: See the summary in this nice teaser video we made:  https://youtu.be/WtE3MoK8J80  We looked at several third-party

Re: [Starlink] Comprehensive Measurement Study on Starlink Performance Published

2024-02-26 Thread J Pan via Starlink
very nice paper and video---we've updated the reference to your work as well. cheers. -j -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), p...@uvic.ca, Web.UVic.CA/~pan On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 10:13 AM Nitinder Mohan via Starlink wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Our comprehensive multifaceted measure

Re: [Starlink] Comprehensive Measurement Study on Starlink Performance Published

2024-02-26 Thread Dave Taht via Starlink
While nobody reads footnotes much, and I would really like you to cite this as the instigator of a lot of research into this area, also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw because of all that rage and frustration is what keyed off 3 years of effort. Think of it as newton noticed an apple

Re: [Starlink] [M-Lab-Discuss] The FCC 2024 Section 706 Report, GN Docket No. 22-270 is out!

2024-02-26 Thread rjmcmahon via Starlink
Thanks for sharing this. I'm trying to find out what are the key metrics that will be used for this monitoring. I want to make sure iperf 2 can cover the technical, traffic related ones that make sense to a skilled network operator, including a WiFi BSS manager. I didn't read all 327 pages thou

[Starlink] A Multifaceted Look at Starlink Performance

2024-02-26 Thread the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via Starlink
EXCERPT: *A Multifaceted Look at Starlink Performance * Nitinder Mohan∗ Technical University of Munich Germany Andrew E. Ferguson∗ The University of Edinburgh United Kingdom Hendrik Cech∗ Technical University of Munich Germany Rohan Bose Technical University of Munich Germany Prakita Rayyan Renat

Re: [Starlink] Comprehensive Measurement Study on Starlink Performance Published

2024-02-26 Thread Ulrich Speidel via Starlink
Thanks for that! Another few interesting pieces to the jigsaw puzzle. I've been a bit reluctant to enter the performance measurement game around Starlink myself, chiefly because it's a moving target in more than one sense, so essentially you end up producing (nevertheless useful) snapshots. Th

Re: [Starlink] Comprehensive Measurement Study on Starlink Performance Published

2024-02-26 Thread David Lang via Starlink
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: My most serious concern about Starlink as a system remains the fact that it puts a pipe between the end user and the first network hop (the satellite) that is in principle very difficult to scale: There's only so much extra spectrum one c

Re: [Starlink] Comprehensive Measurement Study on Starlink Performance Published

2024-02-26 Thread Ulrich Speidel via Starlink
On 27/02/2024 12:19 pm, David Lang wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: My most serious concern about Starlink as a system remains the fact that it puts a pipe between the end user and the first network hop (the satellite) that is in principle very difficult to scale

Re: [Starlink] Comprehensive Measurement Study on Starlink Performance Published

2024-02-26 Thread David Lang via Starlink
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ulrich Speidel wrote: On 27/02/2024 12:19 pm, David Lang wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: There are large areas with poor or non-existant cell coverage. Outside the US, scaling of Starlink can happen just by providing coverage to locations

Re: [Starlink] Comprehensive Measurement Study on Starlink Performance Published

2024-02-26 Thread Ulrich Speidel via Starlink
All good points ... see below. On 27/02/2024 2:13 pm, David Lang wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ulrich Speidel wrote: On 27/02/2024 12:19 pm, David Lang wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: There are large areas with poor or non-existant cell coverage. Outside the U

Re: [Starlink] Comprehensive Measurement Study on Starlink Performance Published

2024-02-26 Thread David Lang via Starlink
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ulrich Speidel wrote: All good points ... see below. On 27/02/2024 2:13 pm, David Lang wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ulrich Speidel wrote: On 27/02/2024 12:19 pm, David Lang wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: There are large areas with poor

[Starlink] starlink business peering

2024-02-26 Thread Dave Taht via Starlink
Starlink has described how to peer with them extensively now. It is still kind of confusing to me - say I had fios to the business, and a AS that met their requirements, I could also somehow dual home that AS to my starlink terminal, and it would be a business class service required? https://starl

Re: [Starlink] starlink business peering

2024-02-26 Thread David Lang via Starlink
As I read that page, it's talking about landline ISPs peering with the Starlink gateways, not with the Starlink endpoints. There is no service required, it's just connectivity at the PoP for your network to better support all Starlink users. you don't need to have any Starlink service, let alo

Re: [Starlink] starlink business peering

2024-02-26 Thread Dave Taht via Starlink
Ooops I meant this to be in response to your last point below... On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 2:31 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > Starlink has described how to peer with them extensively now. It is > still kind of confusing to me - say I had fios to the business, and a > AS that met their requirements, I cou

[Starlink] starlink IXP peering progress

2024-02-26 Thread Dave Taht via Starlink
One of the things I learned today was that starlink has published an extensive guide as to how existing BGP AS holders can peer with them to get better service. I am curious if there is a way to see how many have peered already, how many they could actually peer with?, and progress over time since