Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 19:25, Ralph Seichter wrote: > Yorkshire Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I strongly suggest sticking with the MTA you know, for improved > > reliability and safety, at least until you're familiar with the > > other pieces in the puzzle. > > I admit you got a point here

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

Tony Earnshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unix/Linux doesn't have "downtime;" that's a Gates euphamism. > In Unix/Linux it's called "uptime", and is measured in multiples > of 6 months. Hehehe... Now that's what I call a capital quote candidate! :-) -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Yours sincerely

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

I have a question for the group. How much work is it to install and maintain a mailhost integrated with spam assassin for a company of about 40 employees. We have experience with sendmail and linux. My IT guy gives the following estimate. He's comparing this with the administrative cost for in

RE: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

FWIW I was a total n00b to linux about 1 year ago. I am still not even what I would consider a power user. It took me far longer to get sendmail auth working than MS and SA. Now mind you my server is only serving 6 users and about 20 accounts on 3 domains. I'd say setup took me about 7 hours (sen

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

Stephen Bannasch wrote: I have a question for the group. How much work is it to install and maintain a mailhost integrated with spam assassin for a company of about 40 employees. We have experience with sendmail and linux. My IT guy gives the following estimate. He's comparing this with the adm

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

Yorkshire Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I strongly suggest sticking with the MTA you know, for improved > reliability and safety, at least until you're familiar with the > other pieces in the puzzle. I admit you got a point here. However, if the ominous "IT guy" mentioned by Stephen Bannasch

RE: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

that you can have it done in a day for four hundred bucks. :-) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Yorkshire Dave > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:17 PM > To: spamassassin list > Subject: RE: [SAtalk] how much work to

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

* Yorkshire Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This always makes me cringe (and rant :)). Possibly good advice, but > with the worst timing. IT guy is hopefully about to familiarise himself > with new antivirus software and new anti-spam software, does he really > need to be learning how to drive a new M

RE: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 18:18, Shayne Lebrun wrote: > Yes, he's probably padding his estimates. No, it's not evil or > unreasonable. It's far better to highball your time estimates, and not have > to use it all, then to lowball them, and come up against problems. That's some heavy padding going on

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 16:57, Ralph Seichter wrote: > BTW, I strongly suggest using Postfix > instead of Sendmail for improved reliability and safety. This always makes me cringe (and rant :)). Possibly good advice, but with the worst timing. IT guy is hopefully about to

RE: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

re Dave > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 PM > To: Stephen Bannasch > Cc: spamassassin list > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain > > > On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 15:21, Stephen Bannasch wrote: > > I have a question for the group. How much work is it to

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

I'd say that if you are very new to linux but are really good with PC's and OS's, the initial setup time is pretty close. If you are already familiar with Linux, then the setup time would be much lower. I installed the Linux OS from scratch, installed and configured Postfix with SpamAssassin, and

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 15:21, Stephen Bannasch wrote: > I have a question for the group. How much work is it to install and maintain a > mailhost integrated with spam assassin for a company of about 40 employees. We have > experience with sendmail and linux. I maintain 4 separate installations o

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

I just noticed you mentioned you're familiar with Linux. If that's were true in my case, the numbers below would be *much* smaller: I'm on Solaris, and build everything from scratch. I wouldn't need to do that (nor would I recommend it) on a Linux system. On Linux (which I'm currently using

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

Jonathan Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Worse - he works in the Star Trek Environment. > "It'll take 3 days, captain!" > *Scotty gets it done in half that* > "Scotty, you're a miracle worker!" > > It's all about setting expectations and then beating them, thus > ensuring your excellent employ

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

Stephen Bannasch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a question for the group. How much work is it to install and > maintain a mailhost integrated with spam assassin for a company of > about 40 employees. We have experience with sendmail and linux. > > My IT guy gives the following estimate. He's

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

Stephen Bannasch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a question for the group. How much work is it to install and > maintain a mailhost integrated with spam assassin for a company of > about 40 employees. We have experience with sendmail and linux. Disclaimer: I'm writing about my personal experi

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

For what it's worth, here's a run-down of my time to set up and maintain a mail server with Sendmail, SpamAssassin, and Trend's Interscan Antivirus for ~500 users, with the caveat that I've been doing this stuff for a while -- if I was a Sendmail or Unix novice, we'd be looking at a lot more ti

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

Scott Rothgaber wrote: Stephen Bannasch wrote: -- Time estimates for an open source solution: -- 60+ hours to setup and test sendmail/anti-virus/RBL/anti-spam software from source. -- 8 hours every month to verify that things are working and up to date -- 8 hours every month to upgrade software (

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

Stephen Bannasch wrote: -- Time estimates for an open source solution: -- 60+ hours to setup and test sendmail/anti-virus/RBL/anti-spam software from source. -- 8 hours every month to verify that things are working and up to date -- 8 hours every month to upgrade software (sendmail/RBL/virus/spam,

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

I have SA running for my company of 56 fulltime users and about 20 part-timers. Linux/sendmail/procmail It took about an hour to install and configure. I was paranoid at first and only ran it on my account and my catch-all box for testing, I did that for 2 days to be sure of the program. I the

Re: [SAtalk] how much work to install and maintain

Hi, Could be if he's never experienced it before. We do something similar for company's based on qmail/vpopmail $400 (CAD) Qmail / Vpopmail Installation Clamd Anti-virus Qmail-Scanner SA QmailAdmin SquirrelMail MySQL (for user prefs for SA) dnscache Usually takes me about 4 hours to set it all