[SAtalk] (OT) Inbox Trauma: New Anti-Spam Tools Falter

2004-01-11 Thread Gary Funck
I think you have a first hand experience on this topic http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=530&e=2&u=/ap/20040111/ap_on _hi_te/swimming_in_spam By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer NEW YORK - Software makers have spent millions of dollars developing new tools for

Re: [SAtalk] habeus

2004-01-11 Thread Tim B
that's exactly what I started doing a few weeks agao. I want to send enough habeas to enforce their copyrights :) jenni baier wrote: I guess we can all start putting together a "habeas corpus" On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Jack Gostl wrote: I must have gotten 20 of these in the last three hours! I'm

Re: [SAtalk] habeus

2004-01-11 Thread jenni baier
I guess we can all start putting together a "habeas corpus" On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Jack Gostl wrote: > > I must have gotten 20 of these in the last three hours! I'm going to have > to zap the habeus rule. > > --- This SF.net email is sponsor

[SAtalk] Re: Duplicate Emails

2004-01-11 Thread Bryan Hoover
Robert Menschel wrote: > I'm trying to make sure my corpus is as clean as possible, eliminating > all duplicates. > > I tried to use the masses/corpora/uniq-mailbox program for this, and had > problems which I've documented in bugzilla report 2920. > > Fortunately, my email client identifies and

[SAtalk] Re: Mass-Check

2004-01-11 Thread Bryan Hoover
Robert Menschel wrote: > Of course, the amount of ham and spam in your corpus does have an impact. > I have over 17,000 ham and 70,000 spam in my corpus right now, and my run > time for a single rule has gone from 20 minutes when I first started > using cygwin to something just less than 2 hours. (

[SAtalk] Re[2]: Mass-Check

2004-01-11 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Bryan, Sunday, January 11, 2004, 6:58:58 PM, you wrote: >> I've just completed documenting my current system at >> http://www.exit0.us/index.php/BobCorpusTest BH> So the good news is, I'm now downloading Cygwin! I've brought down the BH> default packages which took from 7:07pm to 8:22pm,

[SAtalk] Duplicate Emails

2004-01-11 Thread Robert Menschel
I'm trying to make sure my corpus is as clean as possible, eliminating all duplicates. I tried to use the masses/corpora/uniq-mailbox program for this, and had problems which I've documented in bugzilla report 2920. Fortunately, my email client identifies and can delete duplicates = same message

[SAtalk] Re: Mass-Check

2004-01-11 Thread Bryan Hoover
Robert Menschel wrote: > Some people have been asking about my mass-check capabilities and > reports. > > I've just completed documenting my current system at > http://www.exit0.us/index.php/BobCorpusTest I tried to run mass-check a bit ago -- for the first time -- and I'm afraid it was killed on

Re: [SAtalk] Mass-Check

2004-01-11 Thread Bill Landry
Wow, very nice Bob! Thanks for sharing this with the list. I'll give it a try this next week and see how it goes. Bill - Original Message - From: "Robert Menschel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: [SAtalk] Mass-Check > Some pe

[SAtalk] habeus

2004-01-11 Thread Jack Gostl
I must have gotten 20 of these in the last three hours! I'm going to have to zap the habeus rule. -- Jack Gostl [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Man

[SAtalk] forged habeus mark

2004-01-11 Thread Jack Gostl
Wow. almost a dozen in very little time. Given how well bayes is working, I might just disable the habeus mark test. -- Jack Gostl [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. Perforce is the Fast Sof

Re: [SAtalk] Rules for word-jumble spam

2004-01-11 Thread Keith C. Ivey
Robert Menschel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't find any indication anywhere on the Web that mPOP is > used for anything but spam. If anyone can provide evidence that > it can be used for ham on a valid webmail site, I'll lower the > score. There are a few seemingly genuine messages here: h

[SAtalk] Obscured web site address using javascript

2004-01-11 Thread Scott Lambert
I have had at least 5 of these come in today. The spamvertised site address seems to be generated by the following Javascript code. The code is the content of an *.html file attachment. The message bodies have been of two types. The variable names are different bayes poison in all the examples

[SAtalk] Mass-Check

2004-01-11 Thread Robert Menschel
Some people have been asking about my mass-check capabilities and reports. I've just completed documenting my current system at http://www.exit0.us/index.php/BobCorpusTest I'll gladly update that documentation to answer questions people may have, and will even update/improve my script if people h

Re: [SAtalk] Rules for word-jumble spam

2004-01-11 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Rich, Saturday, January 10, 2004, 10:27:47 PM, you wrote: RW> I came up with a set of rules which appear to catch the new strain RW> of spam with a meaningless jumble of words in the body, while hope- RW> fully not catching any legitimate mail. See below; comments welcome, RW> and (natural

[SAtalk] Spam links with remove ID ?

2004-01-11 Thread Brian Ipsen
Hi! In most of the spam I receive at the moment there seems to be a link/text like: http://www.domain.com/rid?=1142 Everything is (of course) base64 encoded - The main issue is to detect the .domain.[com|net|biz]/rid?[1-x digits] ... Is it possible to make a rule for this ? I have only seen it

[SAtalk] SA and leafnode?

2004-01-11 Thread Michael W . Cocke
Well, it was inevitable - usenet is starting to get enough spam posted in newsgroups to annoy me. offhand, it looks to me like spamassassin could be 'hooked into' leafnode during the in.coming processing step. Has anyone done any work on the idea? Mike- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the

Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time

2004-01-11 Thread Jack Gostl
Thanks - I'll send them off. On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 05:18:30PM -0500, Jack Gostl wrote: > > Just got a bunch of these myself. Are you suggesting that we simply > > learn them as spam and ignore them otherwise and then let nature take its > > course?

Re: [SAtalk] Newbie: delete only spam from server

2004-01-11 Thread Morris Jones
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Andrew Cranson wrote: > Any idea if this is being implemented in an upcoming release? I know > spamassassin isn't 100% accurate, but it seems to be a much wanted feature > for SA to be able to delete suspected spam. It'd be even more ideal if a > preference could be set via my

RE: [SAtalk] Forged Outlook from Outlook!

2004-01-11 Thread Mitch \(WebCob\)
Said before - show is the headers I imagine they have changed something that will need to be updated in the rules - you may have to post a bug. m/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Sheeran Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:40 AM To: [EMAI

[SAtalk] own rule additions work with spamassassin script, but not with spamd, regardless where they are put in (in local.cf or in the standard numeric labeled cf files)

2004-01-11 Thread Stefan Urbat
I have developed a hypothesis, which could explain eventually this strange phenomenon: spamassassin reads the configuration files directly, but not spamd --- during installation the rules were compiled by the Debian postinstall script into a format, which is read exclusively by spamd during launch

[SAtalk] Re: spamc and maildrop

2004-01-11 Thread Marcus Frings
* Robin Lynn Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I rummaged around the web site looking for material on invoking spamc with > maildrop, but didn't find anything. > Can someone point me to any documentation on this, or just give me a clue as > to what must be done in .mailfilter to invoke spamc?

Re: [SAtalk] Subject contains username

2004-01-11 Thread Regis Wilson
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 31 18:12:45 2003 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:12:44 -0500 From: Theo Van Dinter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Regis Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Subject contains username >On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 08:03:19AM -0800, Regis Wilson wrot

[SAtalk] RE: Neural Net scoring

2004-01-11 Thread Henry Stern
> -Original Message- > From: Gary Funck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: January 10, 2004 3:29 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Spam Assassin Dev; [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henry Stern) > Subject: RE: Neural Net scoring > > Thanks. Here's the link: > http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi

[SAtalk] Forged Outlook from Outlook!

2004-01-11 Thread David Sheeran
Hi Folks I'm getting emails caught by SA 1.61 on the following rules. Not sure why as I sent it myself from MS Office Outlook 2003 (11.5608.5606) 3.3 FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK Forged mail pretending to be from MS Outlook 0.9 MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME Message looks like Outlook, but isn't Any ideas? Dav

Re: [SAtalk] can't turn AWL auto whitelisting off in 2.60

2004-01-11 Thread Michael Parker
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 10:35:04PM +0100, Samuel Murez wrote: > Hello-- > > the line use_auto_whitelist 0 > > in my /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf > > does not have any effet, ie I still get AWL ratings in my messages. > > Could somebody please give me a hint ? > The use_auto_whitelist direc

Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time

2004-01-11 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 05:26:16PM -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > Send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dug through my spam corpus and found > 8 so far this month and just sent them off. We'll see what happens. BTW: I just found a bunch more today (to different spamtraps)... All of them so far have

Re: [SAtalk] Trying to filter the blue pills beginning with V

2004-01-11 Thread Kai Poppe/Redaktion SDCE
Hello List, Hello Martin I tried to describe to letters with an \x.. code but there are still some difficulties. having only a | or a ยก as special character in the word the rule swings in, but adding another one or two @s just kicks it. I post the source of the rule here - let's hope someone notic

Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time

2004-01-11 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 05:18:30PM -0500, Jack Gostl wrote: > Just got a bunch of these myself. Are you suggesting that we simply > learn them as spam and ignore them otherwise and then let nature take its > course? Or should I foward this stuff someplace. Send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dug thr

Re: [SAtalk] Newbie: delete only spam from server

2004-01-11 Thread Bill Landry
Check-out amavisd-new, it can invoke SA and, based on the result score, apply any of several different options, including quarantining or discarding the message. Bill - Original Message - From: "Andrew Cranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 2:0

Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time

2004-01-11 Thread Jack Gostl
> > it down so low that it was autolearned as ham. To fix, I ran sa-learn > > --forget over the message and then re-learned it as spam, removing the > > you can just learn it as spam, it'll auto-forget. > > > habeas mark beforehand. Is there maybe a better way SpamAssassin could > > handle habea

Re: [SAtalk] Newbie: delete only spam from server

2004-01-11 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 10:03:09PM -, Andrew Cranson wrote: > Any idea if this is being implemented in an upcoming release? I know Since SA can _ONLY_ tag mails, it will never be able to delete messages. If you want this functionality, you can have whatever calls SA to parse the headers and de

RE: [SAtalk] Newbie: delete only spam from server

2004-01-11 Thread Mitch \(WebCob\)
SpamAssassin can't do that. SA is a filter that tags messages with information - delivery is the responsibility of the program that calls SA. SA already does provide the information required to that your maildrop / procmail script CAN though... that's where that decision belongs. m/ -Origin

Re: [SAtalk] Newbie: delete only spam from server

2004-01-11 Thread Andrew Cranson
Any idea if this is being implemented in an upcoming release? I know spamassassin isn't 100% accurate, but it seems to be a much wanted feature for SA to be able to delete suspected spam. It'd be even more ideal if a preference could be set via mysql to set a delete threshold in addition to the sta

Re: [SAtalk] Newbie: delete only spam from server

2004-01-11 Thread Andrew Cranson
Any idea if this is being implemented in an upcoming release? I know spamassassin isn't 100% accurate, but it seems to be a much wanted feature for SA to be able to delete suspected spam. It'd be even more ideal if a preference could be set via mysql to set a delete threshold in addition to the sta

Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time

2004-01-11 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 03:14:37PM -0600, David A. Carter wrote: > the message differ from the original, I figured I better --forget the > original first. Was this not needed? Did I even need to remove the habeas > marks first? If you learn a message that has already been learned as the opposite

[SAtalk] can't turn AWL auto whitelisting off in 2.60

2004-01-11 Thread Samuel Murez
Hello-- the line use_auto_whitelist 0 in my /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf does not have any effet, ie I still get AWL ratings in my messages. Could somebody please give me a hint ? thanks, --sam --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Pe

Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time

2004-01-11 Thread David A. Carter
Quoting Theo Van Dinter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > you can just learn it as spam, it'll auto-forget. Thanks for the reply, Theo. Normally, I would have done this, but I wanted to remove the habeas marks before learning it as spam. Since this would make the message differ from the original, I figured

Re: [SAtalk] Re: Bayes database expiry running forever? (SA PATCH INCLUDED)

2004-01-11 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 09:27:40PM +0100, Michael Jacob wrote: > This is the first access to the new database. And then I found a > leftover and damaged "_toks.new" database lying around in > ~/.spamassassin. Seems there is a sanity check missing. I added this > near the beginning of this sub: Ple

Re: [SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time

2004-01-11 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 01:53:48PM -0600, David A. Carter wrote: > it down so low that it was autolearned as ham. To fix, I ran sa-learn > --forget over the message and then re-learned it as spam, removing the you can just learn it as spam, it'll auto-forget. > habeas mark beforehand. Is there ma

Re: [SAtalk] Re: Bayes database expiry running forever? (SA PATCH INCLUDED)

2004-01-11 Thread Michael Jacob
Hi, THANK YOU!!! The patch itself didn't help very mutch (stalled after the debug statements), but it gave me a good starting point for more debugging. Took me an hour, but then I found that this line never finished: $new_toks{$LAST_ATIME_DELTA_MAGIC_TOKEN} = $newdelta; This is the first acce

Re: [SAtalk] own rules still not working --- maybe there's something wrong with the rules?

2004-01-11 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Stefan, Saturday, January 10, 2004, 12:03:18 AM, you wrote: SU> Watch out for following rule, as mentioned working fine with direct SU> invocation of the spamassassin script, but even after putting it in the SU> /usr/share/spamassassin 20_head_tests.cf and 50_scores.cf files (did so SU> for

[SAtalk] Phony Habeas mark on spam...I knew it was just a matter of time

2004-01-11 Thread David A. Carter
Sigh. This is the first time I've seen a spam come in with a phony Habeas mark (link to spam below). Perhaps I've just been lucky up to this point...anyone else seen this? Of course, I reported it immediately to Habeas. Let's see what they do. An unfortunate side effect of how SA scores mail with

[SAtalk] Re: Re: Checking URLs in email body against RBLs too?

2004-01-11 Thread Bob Proulx
Gary Funck wrote: > Florian's note says the following: > > "For high-traffic environments it is really useful to mirror all used > *.blackholes.us zones, if possible on a DNS running on the MTA host > itself. The amount of DNS lookups per email is quite high, but most > spammers spamvertise the sa

Re: [SAtalk] Newbie: delete only spam from server

2004-01-11 Thread Douglas Kirkland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 11 January 2004 07:35, Geoffrey Lane wrote: > I've setup my kmail to keep the mail on my isp's server, so that I can download them from my windows side or have the email on their webmail service to view at work. > my question, is there a wa

[SAtalk] Re: Bayes database expiry running forever?

2004-01-11 Thread Bryan Hoover
Michael Jacob wrote: > > Hi, > > something seems to be wrong with my bayes db, or is this considered > 'normal'? Log: I backed up my Bayes db, and ran with -D force-expire to see what it'd do. I got pretty much what you show, except after the "something fishy" line, it paused for a moment or tw

[SAtalk] Newbie: delete only spam from server

2004-01-11 Thread Geoffrey Lane
I've setup my kmail to keep the mail on my isp's server, so that I can download them from my windows side or have the email on their webmail service to view at work. my question, is there a way to setup spamassassin to delete only the spam messages off the server and keep the "ham", so I would no

Re: [SAtalk] problem getting full email to spamd with --virtual-config-dir

2004-01-11 Thread Douglas Kirkland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 10 January 2004 09:22, oj wrote: > hello, > Im using 2.61, sendmail,e spamass-milter, spamc and spamd. I have a 2 machine > setup sendmail on one and spamd on the other. > > No matter what i do i can't get the full mail/user info to spam

Re: [SAtalk] Rules for word-jumble spam

2004-01-11 Thread Rubin Bennett
I believe that the Backhair Ruleset will catch these as well; no sense in duplicating work taht soneone else has already done! http://www.merchantsoverseas.com/wwwroot/gorilla/sa_rules.htm Rubin On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 01:27, Rich Wales wrote: > I came up with a set of rules which appear to catch t

[SAtalk] O/T Help: Anyone use / familiar with MDaemon mail server?

2004-01-11 Thread Evan Platt
I have Alt-N's mdameon, and what I'm looking to do is I have a few addresses that are spam fodder - harvested from newsgroups, they get ~30 spams a day. I'd like to somehow add them to the Bayesian database or any other 'spam fodder' database. Any suggestions on a 'automatic' way to do it in Md

Re: [SAtalk] spamc and maildrop

2004-01-11 Thread Asif Iqbal
Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > I rummaged around the web site looking for material on invoking spamc with > maildrop, but didn't find anything. > > Can someone point me to any documentation on this, or just give me a clue as > to what must be done in .mailfilter to invoke spamc? > This is what I us