[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-09 Thread William Stein
mabshoff wrote: > > > On Oct 8, 5:48 am, Pierre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Ironically pretty much everything works under Solaris now but the >>> notebook. I think that issue is easy to fix (RAND_MAX related >> incidentally, is it possible to get knoboo to work on solaris instead >> of the no

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-09 Thread mabshoff
On Oct 8, 5:48 am, Pierre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ironically pretty much everything works under Solaris now but the > > notebook. I think that issue is easy to fix (RAND_MAX related > > incidentally, is it possible to get knoboo to work on solaris instead > of the notebook ? > > (sorry if

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-08 Thread Pierre
> Ironically pretty much everything works under Solaris now but the > notebook. I think that issue is easy to fix (RAND_MAX related incidentally, is it possible to get knoboo to work on solaris instead of the notebook ? (sorry if this question is somewhat besides the point) --~--~-~--~--

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-07 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Mike Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> To sum up the discussion about what makes things slow, is it a >> file-locking bottleneck with the sage server? > > I don't think anyone h

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-07 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Oct 7, 2008, at 13:27 , Mike Hansen wrote: > > Hello, > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: >> To sum up the discussion about what makes things slow, is it a >> file-locking bottleneck with the sage server? > > I don't think anyone has done any serious

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-07 Thread mabshoff
On Oct 7, 1:27 pm, "Mike Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To sum up the discussion about what makes things slow, is it a > > file-locking bottleneck with the sage server? > > I don't think anyone has done a

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-07 Thread Mike Hansen
Hello, On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To sum up the discussion about what makes things slow, is it a > file-locking bottleneck with the sage server? I don't think anyone has done any serious profiling of the notebook so I think that conclusion is quite a

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-07 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM, kcrisman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> To emphasize again, I doubt it scales to more than 30 users all hammering >>> the server at once. >>> >> I can confirm this from our experience as well; on a more moderate >> size server even 1

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-07 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 7, 2008, at 3:58 AM, Thierry Dumont wrote: > William Stein a écrit : > >> >> If your hardware is pretty good (which the OP's hardware is), the >> problem is definitely the webserver and notebook interface. >> Running many sage sessions at once gets around this. >> > > ok, if I understand co

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-07 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alex Clemesha wrote: > >> We have spend a majority of our effort on Knoboo trying to make >> it a robust and scalable web application (like, for example, the >> 'frontend' is totally decoupled from the backend 'kernel'). >>

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-07 Thread Jason Grout
Alex Clemesha wrote: > We have spend a majority of our effort on Knoboo trying to make > it a robust and scalable web application (like, for example, the > 'frontend' is totally decoupled from the backend 'kernel'). > > What's missing from Knoboo, and what is so great about the Sage Notebook, >

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-07 Thread Thierry Dumont
William Stein a écrit : > > If your hardware is pretty good (which the OP's hardware is), the > problem is definitely the webserver and notebook interface. > Running many sage sessions at once gets around this. > ok, if I understand correctly, running "many" servers (listening on different port

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-06 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > William Stein wrote: >> 2008/10/6 Thierry Dumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> I would like to know if someone as used Sage with undergraduate >>> students. My question is mainly a question about the material which >>> would be

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-06 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Timothy Clemans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ondrej, > > Did you have to stop supporting Sage altogether or just the Sage Notebook? Not sure what you mean by supporting. I was running the sage notebook from Sage so that anyone can log into it, just like sagenb.

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-06 Thread Timothy Clemans
Ondrej, Did you have to stop supporting Sage altogether or just the Sage Notebook? On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Alex Clemesha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >>> >>> Note -- if the notebook servers all operated

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-06 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Alex Clemesha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > >> >> Note -- if the notebook servers all operated on the same >> data (via a central database or files on the filesystem or something), >> then one could have the best of both worlds... I guess. >> But I doubt I'm pu

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-06 Thread Alex Clemesha
Hi, > Note -- if the notebook servers all operated on the same > data (via a central database or files on the filesystem or something), > then one could have the best of both worlds... I guess. > But I doubt I'm putting another month of my life into the > Sage notebook anytime in the near future.

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-06 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM, kcrisman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> To emphasize again, I doubt it scales to more than 30 users all hammering >> the server at once. >> > > I can confirm this from our experience as well; on a more moderate > size server even 15-20 at once becomes very p

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 6, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > William Stein wrote: >> 2008/10/6 Thierry Dumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> I would like to know if someone as used Sage with undergraduate >>> students. My question is mainly a question about the material which >>> would be necessary. >>> >>> We ar

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-06 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > 2008/10/6 Thierry Dumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I would like to know if someone as used Sage with undergraduate >> students. My question is mainly a question about the material which >> would be necessary. >> >> We are currently building a project (this means: asking for mo

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-06 Thread kcrisman
> To emphasize again, I doubt it scales to more than 30 users all hammering > the server at once. > I can confirm this from our experience as well; on a more moderate size server even 15-20 at once becomes very problematic. - kcrisman --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To p

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-06 Thread William Stein
2008/10/6 Thierry Dumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I would like to know if someone as used Sage with undergraduate > students. My question is mainly a question about the material which > would be necessary. > > We are currently building a project (this means: asking for money, doing > a lot a burea

[sage-support] Re: Using Sage with a large number of undergraduate students.

2008-10-06 Thread Dan Drake
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 at 09:16AM +0200, Thierry Dumont wrote: > I would like to know if someone as used Sage with undergraduate > students. My question is mainly a question about the material which > would be necessary. > > We are currently building a project (this means: asking for money, > doing a