[sage-devel] SAGE marketing

2007-11-15 Thread Ted Kosan
Who are the main people who are responsible for SAGE marketing? I will have some free time in December and I would like to devote some of it to helping with SAGE's marketing effort. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googleg

[sage-devel] Re: slashdot

2007-11-18 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > The top article on slashdot *right now* is about "Open Source Math > Software" and my opinion piece > in the Notices of the AMS: > > http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/11/18/1341232.shtml Sometime later this week, could you please let us know how much the web traffic to

[sage-devel] Re: Notebook enhancements

2007-11-28 Thread Ted Kosan
> > coding sprint sometime soon. What are people's top 3 requests for things > > to be implemented. I think mine are: > > (1) a way to empty the trash. :-) > > (2) sagenb.org is I *think* slow because there are over 1000 > > registered users, and somehow having a lot of user accounts seems to

[sage-devel] Re: interactive widgets in the notebook

2007-11-29 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: > I've been thinking about how to implement interactive widgets in the > notebook. Things like sliders, buttons, etc., that allow interactivity > like Maplets in Maple or the Manipulate command in Mathematica 6. What do you think about adding capabilities like the following to SAGE

[sage-devel] Re: interactive widgets in the notebook

2007-11-29 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: > I think something like this was the goal of the work done by Robert with > the 3d graph viewer in Java that is (or at least, was) included in Sage. > I think JavaView was looked at before and had some licensing > restrictions (so couldn't be included in Sage), but others more > k

[sage-devel] Re: interactive widgets in the notebook

2007-11-29 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > That is the (lofty!) goal. Take a look at sage/plot/plot3d/* to see a > start, though much remains to be done. (I am speaking in terms of > emulating JavaView, not the interactive stuff, though it could > eventually go there too.) As a step towards something like JavaView, I have

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: the E8 story

2007-11-30 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > You're right -- it would have been vastly better if it had said > something like "A SageOpenSourceMathSoftware Developer"... > In fact, that slashdot article generated very very few hits > on sagemath.org. I think that "A SageMath developer" would have been just fine, especially

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: the E8 story

2007-11-30 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > This is relevant to > sage-devel, because perhaps one day > we'll get some publicity :-) [see, e.g, the top article on slashdot > right now... http://slashdot.org/] I can't help but think that "A SageMath Developer writes" would serve better as a marketing tool than "A Sage De

[sage-devel] Re: interactive widgets in the notebook

2007-11-30 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > Never seen that before, it looks pretty nice, and is BSD licensed. We > looked around a lot about a year ago for open-source 3d applets but I > never saw this. Can it graph arbitrary 3d shapes/polygons? It doesn't > feel OpenGL accelerated, but I could be wrong. I think it can pl

[sage-devel] Re: interactive widgets in the notebook

2007-12-01 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: > Yeah! It works!! :) > > I've put a very alpha patch (against 2.8.13) up on trac #1322 that > implements the following: I got it to work and I must admit its pretty cool! I'm going to have to think about the possibilities you have opened up with this approach. Ted --~--~---

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial to translate in french

2007-12-02 Thread Ted Kosan
Philippe wrote: > as I said last week, I am willing to give a little help for the usage > of SAGE in french educational system. One thing that showed to be > important was the availability of a tutorial in french. > > I would appreciate some experts on that list (;-) to point me to an > existing

[sage-devel] Demo of 3D applets working in the notebook

2007-12-02 Thread Ted Kosan
Here is a link to a demo of two 3D applets working inside of the notebook that I put together over the weekend: https://206.21.94.60:9000/home/pub/15/ When it asks for a certificate, just click "OK", wait a little bit while the applets load, then place your mouse on a plot and drag. After you p

[sage-devel] Re: interactive widgets in the notebook

2007-12-02 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: > > I really like the technique of using Jython in the client because its > > like having a subset of SAGE on the client. Users can easily create > > GUI widgets with just a few lines of "SAGE" code. Jython can be > > included in an applet too. > > This is interesting. Can you exp

[sage-devel] Re: Demo of 3D applets working in the notebook

2007-12-03 Thread Ted Kosan
MH wrote > I got a message: Loading Java Applet Failed. > > Its exciting to see some work in this direction; interactive 3D > objects are the final hurdle for sage, I think. If you click on the box where the applet would have been displayed it will bring up the Java console and it will contain t

[sage-devel] Re: Demo of 3D applets working in the notebook

2007-12-03 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > I have to say though, having tried the Java3d based 3d graphics > that Robert Bradshaw wrote for Sage, that's going to be the way to go. > It's incredibly robust and FAST even for huge complicated scenes. I mean, > that library really feels professional / state of the art / like

[sage-devel] Re: Java3D usable in any form?

2007-12-04 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > Actually, that is the point of gluegen-rt.jar--it lets one ship > native code (so/dll/dylib) libraries within the jars themselves, and > why there has to be singed code involved. Does the 4x4 applet still > work for you if you uninstall java3d? > > > Given that people already have

[sage-devel] Re: Java3D usable in any form?

2007-12-04 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > I don't know that it would be any harder for the Mac--usually there's > less of a need for an actual installer. However, in practice Java is > fairly compatible platform-to-platform, and most computers already > have it. My thought here is that I am unsure if Apple allows their J

[sage-devel] Re: Java3D usable in any form?

2007-12-04 Thread Ted Kosan
Justin wrote: > > My thought here is that I am unsure if Apple allows their Java > > implementation to be freely distributed. > > Why do you want to do that? Doesn't Java "come with"? If you want > to use a specific version with your app, that might present problems > of its own (bringing a 10.

[sage-devel] Scientific calculator in the notebook

2007-12-07 Thread Ted Kosan
I have been working on ways to make SAGE as easy to use as possible for beginners because I am interested in encouraging high school students to use SAGE. The approach I have been working on recently is to embed a scientific calculator into the notebook that SAGE newbies should be able to start u

[sage-devel] Re: Let's involve SAGE in the Google Highly Open Participation Contest

2007-12-07 Thread Ted Kosan
Timothy wrote: > Just 8/9 minutes after sending my letter to Python GHOP two mentors > wrote back that they would love to have Sage tickets. In fact Titus > Brown says he has heard good things about Sage. > > http://groups.google.com/group/ghop-python/browse_thread/thread/247ff27b799d4c39 Wow, t

[sage-devel] Re: Scientific calculator in the notebook

2007-12-07 Thread Ted Kosan
Carl wrote: > If the applet uses java.net.HTTPUrlConnection to talk to the server > from Java, it doesn't have to log in separately... the cookies from > the browser's login are automatically used by the Java > communications. At least, it works for me, and this document > indicates that it shou

[sage-devel] Re: Scientific calculator in the notebook

2007-12-07 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: > It looks like you're using the trick of asking Sage to evaluate some > text using cell id -1. This is a hack right now, as cell ids are > supposed to be nonnegative numbers. Currently, though, the output > directories are created and the right .py file is created and sent to > SA

[sage-devel] Re: Scientific calculator in the notebook

2007-12-07 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > By the way, do you have any thoughts about technical communication > issues with the server when using Java versus using Javascript to > implement the scientific calculator. I think Ted's calculator client > is a Java applet, > which might impact how it would communicate with th

[sage-devel] Re: Scientific calculator in the notebook

2007-12-07 Thread Ted Kosan
Nils wrote: > Scientific calculator programs already abound. What I like about a SAGE-based calculator is that it can be advertised as being among the most powerful scientific calculators in the world. People can be told that this calculator is like the wardrobe in the Narnia series. When peopl

[sage-devel] Re: Please review letter to Python GHOP

2007-12-07 Thread Ted Kosan
Timothy wrote: > I have spent about 11 hours working on a letter to the Project, Google > Highly Open Participation group to get Sage involved in that contest. > William and Ondrej were very helpful and reviewed several drafts. > Please review, ask questions and give comments? Thank you! I have i

[sage-devel] Re: Scientific calculator in the notebook

2007-12-07 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > Finally, it would be really cool to have similar scientific calculators, but > for > special subject areas, e.g., graph theory, combinatorics, elliptic curves, > etc. > These would rock. I have a couple of thoughts related to this. 1) Not only can the applet inject javascript

[sage-devel] Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread Ted Kosan
I have been experimenting with techniques for allowing Java applets to communicate with the SAGE server and the technique I like the best so far is to use JSON objects (http://json.org). I am currently using simpleJSON (http://undefined.org/python/#simplejson) on the SAGE server and I have it suc

[sage-devel] Re: Demo of 3D applets working in the notebook

2007-12-11 Thread Ted Kosan
Fernando wrote: > I certainly wasn't trying to dissuade Ted from 'scratching his itch', > I hope it didn't come across that way. Rather my suggestion was for > what *I* see as possibly better tools to scratch said itch. I > actually happen to *really* like Ted's idea of a local client that is >

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-newbie] is there any way to copy jsfonts to word ?

2007-12-14 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: > What about writing an openoffice function that converts an expression to > openoffice equation format? For example, the above output is: > > {cos(1)} over {sin(1)} - {(sin(1)^2 + cos(1)^2) cdot (x-1)} over > {sin(1)^2} + {(cos(1) cdot sin(1)^2 + cos(1)^3) cdot ((x-1)^2)} over > {s

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2007-12-14 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote > > If further testing is successful, I would like to have simpleJSON > > included in SAGE. What procedure do I need to follow in order to make > > an official software addition request? > > (1) Convince us it's a good idea. You basically just did that. > > (2) Create a trac ticket

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-newbie] is there any way to copy jsfonts to word ?

2007-12-14 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > What needs to be done is to write in Python a latex --> open office format > converter, probably with a bunch of regexp's, etc. How hard is that? Wouldn't regular expressions be inadequate for deciphering nested expressions like the following?: sage: a = cos(cos(cos(x))) sage:

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-newbie] is there any way to copy jsfonts to word ?

2007-12-14 Thread Ted Kosan
Ted wrote: > Wouldn't regular expressions be inadequate for deciphering nested > expressions like the following?: > > sage: a = cos(cos(cos(x))) > sage: a > cos(cos(cos(x))) > sage: latex(a) > \cos \left( \cos \left( \cos \left( x \right) \right) \right) > > For nested expressions, my understandi

[sage-devel] Re: DVDs and Posters

2007-12-14 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: > I think it's a perfect idea to have something to give people. Instead of giving people something physical at the show, another idea that comes to mind is to give out tickets that have a piece of information on them. In the next version of SAGE that is released after the show, inc

[sage-devel] Re: sage-vmware

2007-12-17 Thread Ted Kosan
I will do it. Ted On Dec 17, 2007 12:15 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I need help making sage-vmware-2.9.zip. Could somebody with high > bandwidth, vmware, > and an account on sage.math do the following: > > (1) immediately respond to this email volunteering, so on

[sage-devel] Re: sage-vmware

2007-12-17 Thread Ted Kosan
Ted wrote: > I will do it. Here it is: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/tkosan/misc/sage-vmware-2.9_tested.zip Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PR

[sage-devel] SymbolicEquation type error

2007-12-19 Thread Ted Kosan
The following code works in version 2.8.13 of SAGE: a = (16*x - 13)/6 == (3*x + 5)/2 - (4 - x)/3 But when I execute it in version 2.9, the following error is generated: Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in File "/home/tkosan/.sage/sage_notebook/worksheets/admin/0/cod

[sage-devel] Re: SymbolicEquation type error

2007-12-20 Thread Ted Kosan
Carl wrote: > Is there any chance that you've assigned a value to x earlier in your > session, so that x is no longer a symbolic variable? The code was executed in the first cell of the first worksheet that I created after launching Sage 2.9 for the first time. After closing the worksheet, reop

[sage-devel] Re: example of a Mathematica program from my lecture

2007-12-21 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > MISSION STATEMENT: Provide as soon as possible a viable free > open source alternative to Maple, Mathematica, Magma, and Matlab. When I read this mission statement, what doesn't come to mind is trying to convince people who are currently using these applications to switch to S

[sage-devel] Re: example of a Mathematica program from my lecture

2007-12-23 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > Ted, what functionality do you see as being most important for the > "scientific calculator" target audience you have in your pie chart? I will reply to this question sometime later next week. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, sen

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.9.2

2007-12-27 Thread Ted Kosan
Harald wrote: > Have you thought more generally about interactive cells? A widget > included in the answer-cell, which assignes values to a local variable > and then issues an update for reevaluation. > I've just written feature request #1613 > http://sagetrac.org/sage_trac/ticket/1613 I have be

[sage-devel] GUI widgets in the notebook (was sage-2.9.2)

2007-12-28 Thread Ted Kosan
age_trac/ticket/1613 > > ... > > On Dec 28, 7:56 am, "Ted Kosan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > html(' > width="800" height="650" > > codebase="http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/tkosan/mathrider/"; > > archive="mathri

[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-28 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > What should we do? Any ideas? People who work on Linux distributions, > please speak up, except for saying "don't bother with Sage, we already > package everything above in Debian" Since Gentoo is a meta Linux distribution (a distribution which is designed to build custom dis

[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-28 Thread Ted Kosan
Michael wrote: > Well, if we were to limit ourselves to Linux systems that might be an > option, but with the need to support OSX and Solaris [and in the > futute Windows] I don't see this as something viable. Portage is nice, > but it is the wrong tool for a cross platform toolchain. What we > c

[sage-devel] Re: example of a Mathematica program from my lecture

2007-12-29 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > >> I thought that chart was crazy until a few days ago when I visited > >> a friend > >> of my wife who lives in Phoenix who teaches high school and community > >> college mathematics (he is a Russian with a masters from U of A). > >> The world of "math computation" for them is w

[sage-devel] Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-29 Thread Ted Kosan
I am in the process of putting together some marketing materials for Sage and I need something more descriptive than just calling Sage "math software". Since I started using Sage around a year ago, I have been trying to figure out how to categorize it. I discovered Sage through this Computer Alg

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-30 Thread Ted Kosan
Tim wrote: >Scientific Computing Platform? Alex wrote: >I like "mathematical/scientific computing >system/platform/environment", with a very slight preference to >"mathematical" over "scientific" and with preference to "system" or >"platform" over "environment" since in my mind that restricts

[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-30 Thread Ted Kosan
Ondrej wrote: > Nice thing about this is that there is no database, nothing. Just > plain files, that > can be fixed by hand. > > How would portage improve this? Portage is just editable text files too. I do not have any experience with Debian so it may also do the following things I describe be

[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-31 Thread Ted Kosan
Michael.wrote: > The documentation for each spkg can and will certainly be improved. We > should stuff that information in the developer's guide (like the > release manager guide I am currently writing, which will be added > there at some point in time). I think that having guidelines like this

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-02 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > I would very much like it if somebody would make a build-from-source version > of > the jmol package: > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/jmol-11.5.1.spkg > > See below. > > Any volunteers? I will give it a try. Are we assuming that the person installing the sou

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-02 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > I think it's safe to assume the JDK and ant, and eventually make an > ant spkg if needed. (That's what I was planning on doing.) Okay, I will give this a try then and I hope to have something available within a few hours. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-02 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > Is there anything it doesn't do when you cd to the jmol directory and > type ant? I think it should be a matter of adding this to the top of > the spkg-install script, right? If ant is run immediately after unarchiving the jmol tarball, an error is generated because a keystore ne

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-02 Thread Ted Kosan
I have jmol building/installing from source, but in the interest of saving time I am not going to go through the last step of making an actual spkg out of it because I have not done this before and it will probably take me some time for me to get it right. Here is a .zip file that contains the fi

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-03 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > There are several other dependencies that are provided as jar files > that we'll need to build as well, so this is further from done than I > had supposed. Here is a list of the jar files that come in the jmol tarball: Acme.jar gnujaxp-onlysax.jar junit.jar vecm

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-03 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: >Here is the reduced list of .jar files I was able > > to achieve a successful build with: > > > > Acme.jar commons-cli-1.0.jar netscape.jar > > ant-contrib.jar itext-1.4.5.jar vecmath1.2-1.14.jar > > Excellent. Have you been able to build any of these? Perhaps we > s

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-03 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert Wrote: > > The idea of a dependences directory sounds good. I have not tried > > building the support jars from source yet, but if you would like me to > > I can work on this. > > That would be great. I built the support jars from source, but this process certainly is ugly. Here are the

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-04 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert, Do you think it is okay to manually edit the various build scripts to make them build as desired and then just record what was edited in the SPKG.txt file? Also, how much software can we require the user have pre-installed on their system before building jmol-src.spkg? At this point we

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-04 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > > Do you think it is okay to manually edit the various build scripts to > > make them build as desired and then just record what was edited in the > > SPKG.txt file? > > The route we have traditionally gone down is to place patch files in > a "patches" directory and then apply the

[sage-devel] Re: sage.graphs, lad

2008-01-05 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > > > I don't have any experience with wx widgets yet. One of the big > > > challenges Sage developers have been working on lately is interactive > > > widget like features. The main challenge is the existing notebook > > > structure, which uses web browsers to serve an application.

[sage-devel] Re: sage.graphs, lad

2008-01-05 Thread Ted Kosan
kosan/mathrider/Java2D/"\ archive="Java2Demo.jar" MAYSCRIPT>') Ted On Jan 5, 2008 1:19 PM, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert wrote: > > > > > I don't have any experience with wx widgets yet. One of the big > > > > challenges

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-05 Thread Ted Kosan
Its all building from source now. Here is the list of packages that needed to be created: commons-lang commons-logging commons-cli bcmail bcprov itext jmol-acme netscape vecmath-objectclub jmol It runs from the command line but I am not quite sure how to test it completely at this point so ther

[sage-devel] Re: First Sage Screencast

2008-01-06 Thread Ted Kosan
Timothy wrote: > GHOP (Google Highly Open Participation Contest) contestant Benjamin > Peterson created a 20 minute screencast introducing Sage. He followed > my guidelines to a tea, see > http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-psf/issues/detail?id=301. > Currently the best qu

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-06 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert, The jmol-11.5.2-src.spkg is ready for testing and it can be found here: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/tkosan/misc/jmol-11.5.2-src.spkg Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from t

[sage-devel] Re: First Sage Screencast

2008-01-06 Thread Ted Kosan
Tim wrote: > I'm unable to view this using RealPlayer, Quicktime, or mplayer on > XP, OSX, or Linux. None of the sites have the codec available. > Any idea where I can find the codec for one of these tools? I used mplayer on Gentoo to view the video and this is the codec it is using: Openin

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-07 Thread Ted Kosan
en.htm > Ted Kosan, you might particularly find Wiris interesting since > it is a 100% java app instead of javascript. >... >They ended the discussion by telling us that their web-based >interface is (going to be) much better than ours. The Wiris notebook Applet seems to provide

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-08 Thread Ted Kosan
Francois wrote: > And it is supposed to work with what? On Linux I get a blank page with > firefox and konqueror - opera just went and crashed. > I certainly won't take seriously a product of that kind, that I cannot > test on Linux. It takes a while for the applet to load the first time. I had

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-08 Thread Ted Kosan
Harald wrote: > but I'm more > and more convinced that a huge java applet is not the best way for any > webbased project. There are two things to consider: 1. it is much > heavier, concerning load time/memory and so on. With bandwidth and memory capacity increasing exponentially, this is fast be

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-08 Thread Ted Kosan
Jaap wrote: > > With bandwidth and memory capacity increasing exponentially, this is > > fast becoming a non-issue. > > > > I've heard that before! But I don't believe this is the panacea! The exponential growth of computing indicates that by 2020, a $1000 computer will have the same capacity as

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-08 Thread Ted Kosan
This is a fun thread :-) Anyway, what I am more interested in than specific Sage client types is a good way for all client types to talk with Sage. Here is Wiris's communication architecture: http://www.wiris.com/images/stories/architecture_en.jpg What I would like to have in Sage is a protoco

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-08 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > Just to break up the tension in this thread a little bit, here's my > idea of what it might look like: > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/architecture_en.jpg The idea of separating the Sage computation engine from the notebook server looks interesting. I took

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-09 Thread Ted Kosan
boothby wrote >I'd really prefer people to help out with the notebook, since homework already keeps me. >stretched thin, and I'd rather be writing more mathematical code. But hey, y'all are volunteers -- do what you want. I am about 1/3 of the way through the O'Reilly JavaScript book and I think

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-09 Thread Ted Kosan
Tom wrote: > Excellent idea, Ted. I took your idea, expanded upon it, and added standard > scalable development concepts to accelerate the synergy of the web service > protocols you've proposed. > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/boothby/web_service_architecture_joke.png > > (tongue firm

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-09 Thread Ted Kosan
Justin wrote: > Maybe it's just that my system senses my inate hostility to Java, but > this doesn't seem to work well for me (Mac OS X, 10.4.11, Safari 3 > Public Beta, whatever version of Java I have). > > I pasted the above snippit into the notebook, and evaluated it, > giving me a sort of Jav

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-09 Thread Ted Kosan
Justin wrote: > Sorry; I should have noted the version installed here. I installed > this last month, so that's not the issue. Does this code work? It is the standard GUI widget demo that is distributed with the Java development kit: #GUI widgets. html('http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/tk

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-09 Thread Ted Kosan
Justin wrote: > Roughly the same behavior: It looks like this is a known issue: " According to Apple specs OS X 10.5 Leopard already runs the newer Version (J2SE 1.5.0_13 and 1.4.2_16),. However, Tiger and Leopard use different build numbers, so problem seems limited to Tiger 10.4.10 and .11,

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-09 Thread Ted Kosan
Justin wrote: > In addition, it appears only some of the components > of the equation are editable (in "X+Y", I can select and change "X" > and "Y", but not "+"?), Double click on the operator to select it and then select a replacement operator from the pallet. >and navigating between these "

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-09 Thread Ted Kosan
Tom wrote: > The clicking & dragging interface is *painful*. I can't see using that for > anything more than a few symbols. I agree, the interface is not very usable. On the plus side, however, the application's core looks solid and the project looks fairly active: 0.6.2 Notes (2007-

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-09 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > I ran into an error compiling > Log4j12, any ideas. (I've been busy at the conference the last couple > of days, but could look more into this maybe when I get home). I discovered that this was caused by a jar file I didn't know I had in my classplath. I am in the process of cre

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-10 Thread Ted Kosan
Tom wrote: >This is a very nice start. But the original discussion was about Javascript vs. Java as a technology for enhancing the notebook. I think that Wiris provides a good example of what Java is capable of in this area but it would be unfair to compare the Javascript equation editor to Wir

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-10 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > What is unfinished about it? Just because the author had/has more > plans for it doesn't mean it isn't very useable now (more so, I would > argue, than a drag-n-drop interface). Mouse positioning of the cursor, cut and paste, multiple fonts, font resizing, multiple equations on o

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-11 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert, When you get a chance, version 2 of the jmol-src spkg is ready to test: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/tkosan/misc/jmol-11.5.2-src-v2.spkg Thanks :-) Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To uns

[sage-devel] Re: basic java question

2008-01-11 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > Works great for me. My only question is why you have .tar.gz files in > the dependancies directory instead of just putting the source itself > there (as the whole things is compressed anyways). I thought that people who were interested in the source version of this package might

[sage-devel] Re: Random surface in 3d using jmol

2008-01-17 Thread Ted Kosan
> Here is an example where the points were randomly chosen (by sampling > from a normally distributed random variable in x,y,z coordinates) and > interpolated into a surface. > > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/jkantor/picture_1.png > > and with opacity > > http://sage.math.washi

[sage-devel] Re: Random surface in 3d using jmol

2008-01-17 Thread Ted Kosan
mhampton wrote: > I'm not sure if its what you are asking, but I think it would be very > cool if sage could export 3d objects to whatever industry-standard > file formats exist for 3d printing. The reprap takes STL files: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STL_(file_format) But what I was wondering

[sage-devel] Re: Sympy Plotting

2008-01-18 Thread Ted Kosan
Ondrej wrote: > Speaking only for myself, I don't like java too. But I have a very > narrow minded opinion here, > I am sure others will not agree with me completely. I know it's GPL, > but that's already > more than a year (isn't it?), but it still isn't in Debian main, for > some legal or tech

[sage-devel] Re: Online free sage notebook slowness

2008-01-21 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > If anybody out there is a java expert, this might be a good problem to look > at, > where this is "loading images many many times using sage's 3d plotting can > lead to problems". When someone has this hanging problem occur, please open the Java console (its under Tools in Fire

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2008-01-21 Thread Ted Kosan
Robert wrote: > > Mathematics Computing Environment is more what sage is, IMO. > > I like this too, and the suggestion "comprehensive" (if it doesn't > make it too long). So I'd suggest something like > > Comprehensive Mathematics Computing Environment. I like the concept of Sage being comprehen

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-21 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > Today at the AMS meeting Tom Boothby and I had a long talk with the > people at the "Wiris Booth": > http://www.wiris.com/ > Wiris is a closed source commercial math software company that makes a > web-based interface to their own custom mathematical software. Was the idea of Wi

[sage-devel] Re: Wiris -- something like the Sage notebook sort of

2008-01-21 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > > Was the idea of Wiris using Sage as an additional calculation engine > > for their client discussed at all? > > No. Wiris is a commercial company > and I got the very strong impression that they view Sage as basically > potential competition whose mere existence is bad for them

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > > If further testing is successful, I would like to have simpleJSON > > included in SAGE. What procedure do I need to follow in order to make > > an official software addition request? > > (1) Convince us it's a good idea. You basically just did that. > > (2) Create a trac tick

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > I propose the following: > > (1) Json support is made an optional package > (2) Once there are some actual interesting uses of it, then we >seriously consider making it a standard package. (This could >be a week from now, etc.) +1 Ted --~--~-~--~--

[sage-devel] Re: interactive images using the html5 canvas element

2008-01-22 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: > Apparently (according to the HTML5 draft) eventually we will have a 3d > canvas in HTML. It seems like that will be really nice since then the > 3d drawing would presumably be done by the browser (i.e., fast). This technology looks like it has great potential :-) Ted --~--~

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Ted Kosan
Justin wrote: > It's not true that testing GUIs is in any way impossible (I believe > several companies make such products, and make a pretty good living > at it). > > However, I don't think there is a freely-available way to do it, and > in this aspect, your point is well-taken, and reinforces t

[sage-devel] Re: Online free sage notebook slowness

2008-01-23 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > If anybody out there is a java expert, this might be a good problem to look > at, > where this is "loading images many many times using sage's 3d plotting can > lead to problems". The problem might be related to how much memory is allocated to the Java plugin by default. Here

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2008-01-30 Thread Ted Kosan
Ted wrote: > I like the concept of Sage being comprehensive, but how about using a > more widely-used synonym for the word 'comprehensive' like > 'universal'?: > > Universal Mathematics Computing Environment I tried using "Universal Mathematics Computing Environment" for a while but it is to

[sage-devel] A library of wonderfully documented examples.

2008-02-16 Thread Ted Kosan
In a recent thread called "Extreme Newbie Development Questions" Jason Grout wrote: >We really ought to set up a library of wonderfully documented examples >of how to use Sage, something like the Maple application center or the >Mathematica Demonstrations project. The current list of notebooks >

[sage-devel] Re: A library of wonderfully documented examples.

2008-02-17 Thread Ted Kosan
Marshall wrote: > I have a comment that is a little off-topic but perhaps relevant. > After talking to some people at the joint meetings in San Diego, and > especially after using Sage a lot in the classroom this semester, I've > been struck by the following fact: people who use Sage who are new

[sage-devel] Sun and Sage (was Factoring question)

2008-02-20 Thread Ted Kosan
didier deshommes wrote: >I'm not anti-java and I think that moving to a managed run-time would >benefit sage and potentially make it even more trivial to port to >other platforms, if you have java installed. But there are drawback >also. Speed is one of them and a big one. Rewriting is even a big

[sage-devel] GeoGebra

2008-02-21 Thread Ted Kosan
On the support list, a high school teacher (Jacob) wrote: > That would be a huge value to me. As a high school teacher, the > features of GeoGebra almost completely fill the void of "things I wish > sage could do". The notebook widgets for Mathematica style > demonstrations would fill quite

[sage-devel] Re: GeoGebra

2008-02-21 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > Basically I'm suggesting that everyone interested > in making Sage the ultimate educational tool > get organized, figure out who really wants to put > in an insane amount of effort on this sort of thing, > and put together a bunch of cool tools. For now I have the following

[sage-devel] Re: GeoGebra

2008-02-21 Thread Ted Kosan
> 2) Would sage-devel be willing to expose a standard API that can be > used to access the Sage calculation engine? Here is a description of the API Mathematica provides for reference: http://www.outbacksoftware.com/mathematica/mathlink-jlink.html Ted --~--~-~--~~~---

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