Re: [sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-31 Thread Tim Daly
I think the claim was that it is becoming the M$ of mathematical software. I suspect that means "default standard" or something. Actually, I didn't ask. Tim, what does it mean? I was making the assumption that Sage managed achieve "success" by being widely adopted and replacing the 4Ms. The

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-31 Thread Tim Daly
If I understand you correctly, you want to set the goal for Sage much higher than just a free, open alternative to the Ma*s. - Robert Yes, but why am I trying to do that? Computation mathematics is a new field of study, at least in the symbolic area. It is the child of the union of math

[sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-31 Thread Harald Schilly
On Aug 30, 11:59 pm, Tim Daly wrote: > Now apply the same lesson to Sage. Assume that 30 years from now, none > of the > original developers are connected with the code and there is no one to > ask. It will happen. I didn't read this thread but just about that comment: I think the solution to tha

[sage-devel] Problem with Trac server

2010-08-31 Thread Niles
Not sure if this is already a known problem, but I get an error message when trying to load the Trac front page this morning: ProgrammingError: could not create temporary file "base/pgsql_tmp/ pgsql_tmp7382.1": No space left on device ... 10 minutes later, I'm still getting the same error (well,

[sage-devel] Re: Problem with Trac server

2010-08-31 Thread Dima Pasechnik
same here... On Aug 31, 7:59 pm, Niles wrote: > Not sure if this is already a known problem, but I get an error > message when trying to load the Trac front page this morning: > > ProgrammingError: could not create temporary file "base/pgsql_tmp/ > pgsql_tmp7382.1": No space left on device > > ..

[sage-devel] ipython pipeline

2010-08-31 Thread Jason Grout
Over on matplotlib-devel, there is a thread about some of the stuff coming down the ipython development pipeline. The thread is here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.matplotlib.devel/9052 and the exciting stuff starts around here (graphics in the terminal): http://article.gmane.org

[sage-devel] OSX Clickable App

2010-08-31 Thread Jason Grout
Continuing the discussion that dribbled off into nothing: http://groups.google.mn/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/b765738766448b5d I have lots of students with macs now, and some are interested in getting Sage working on their computer. Ivan posted what looked like a fantastic app for S

[sage-devel] Busted maxima interface - anyone got a clue?

2010-08-31 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
As some of you know, I run the long doctests 100 times on my Sun Ultra 27 on sage 4.5.3.alpha0. Looking at the results from 100 runs, there was one or more failures on 11 of 100 times. Of the 11 runs where one or more doctests failed, 4 of them devel/sage-main/sage/modular/overconvergent/wei

[sage-devel] Re: OSX Clickable App

2010-08-31 Thread kcrisman
On Aug 31, 12:01 pm, Jason Grout wrote: > Continuing the discussion that dribbled off into > nothing:http://groups.google.mn/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/b765738... > > I have lots of students with macs now, and some are interested in > getting Sage working on their computer.  Ivan pos

Re: [sage-devel] OSX Clickable App

2010-08-31 Thread Ivan Andrus
> Continuing the discussion that dribbled off into nothing: > http://groups.google.mn/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/b765738766448b5d Thanks for resurrecting this. Hopefully we can get it to go somewhere. > I have lots of students with macs now, and some are interested in getting > Sage

Re: [sage-devel] Re: OSX Clickable App

2010-08-31 Thread Ivan Andrus
On Aug 31, 2010, at 7:13 PM, kcrisman wrote: > On Aug 31, 12:01 pm, Jason Grout wrote: >> Continuing the discussion that dribbled off into >> nothing:http://groups.google.mn/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/b765738... >> > If we can make it so that SAGE_APP_BUNDLE=yes becomes the default >

[sage-devel] Re: OSX Clickable App

2010-08-31 Thread Jason Grout
On 8/31/10 12:14 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: Continuing the discussion that dribbled off into nothing: http://groups.google.mn/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/b765738766448b5d Thanks for resurrecting this. Hopefully we can get it to go somewhere. I have lots of students with macs now, and

[sage-devel] Re: OSX Clickable App

2010-08-31 Thread Jason Grout
On 8/31/10 12:14 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: Continuing the discussion that dribbled off into nothing: http://groups.google.mn/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/b765738766448b5d Thanks for resurrecting this. Hopefully we can get it to go somewhere. I have lots of students with macs now, and

[sage-devel] Re: OSX Clickable App

2010-08-31 Thread kcrisman
> I'm uploading a dmg of 4.5.2 made from the current sage -bdist script to > sage.math (46% done).  I planned on giving that URL to students.  Would > you suggest giving a link to your dmg instead? The current dmg is probably better until this is tested more. > Also, how do I get it to just open

[sage-devel] Re: OSX Clickable App

2010-08-31 Thread Jason Grout
On 8/31/10 12:40 PM, kcrisman wrote: I'm uploading a dmg of 4.5.2 made from the current sage -bdist script to sage.math (46% done). I planned on giving that URL to students. Would you suggest giving a link to your dmg instead? The current dmg is probably better until this is tested more. Ok

Re: [sage-devel] Re: OSX Clickable App

2010-08-31 Thread Ivan Andrus
On Aug 31, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 8/31/10 12:40 PM, kcrisman wrote: >>> I'm uploading a dmg of 4.5.2 made from the current sage -bdist script to >>> sage.math (46% done). I planned on giving that URL to students. Would >>> you suggest giving a link to your dmg instead? >> >> T

Re: [sage-devel] Re: OSX Clickable App

2010-08-31 Thread Ivan Andrus
On Aug 31, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > When I click "stop server", and then "start server", I see this error message > in the log: > > Setting environment variables > Warning: Attempted to overwrite SAGE_ROOT environment variable > Checking install location > Traceback (most recent cal

[sage-devel] Re: OSX Clickable App

2010-08-31 Thread kcrisman
> > No problem.  We cougars have to stick together. But you're still BCS wannabes. - kcrisman -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at h

Re: [sage-devel] ipython pipeline

2010-08-31 Thread Fernando Perez
Hi Jason, On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > > Fernando, if you're reading this: I'm curious if you have any thoughts on > how the Sage notebook might be impacted by this. The notebook itself, not at all: sagenb doesn't use any ipython code itself. It has features that ipytho

[sage-devel] Re: Sage trac account names mapped to real names

2010-08-31 Thread Niles
I've noticed a separate list of developers on the DevMap at sagemath.org . . . is there a plan to integrate these two lists? -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more op

Re: [sage-devel] Busted maxima interface - anyone got a clue?

2010-08-31 Thread Alex Ghitza
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:56:35 +0100, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > Looking at the results from 100 runs, there was one or more failures on 11 of > 100 times. Of the 11 runs where one or more doctests failed, 4 of them > > > devel/sage-main/sage/modular/overconvergent/weightspace.py (twice) > dev

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-31 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 08/30/10 09:51 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Dr. David Kirkby There are two different goals that people have here. One is to build a solid, bug free piece of mathematical software, ideally conforming to all the good software engineering principles, building every

Re: [sage-devel] Busted maxima interface - anyone got a clue?

2010-08-31 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 08/31/10 11:13 PM, Alex Ghitza wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:56:35 +0100, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: Looking at the results from 100 runs, there was one or more failures on 11 of 100 times. Of the 11 runs where one or more doctests failed, 4 of them devel/sage-main/sage/modular/overconver

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage trac account names mapped to real names

2010-08-31 Thread Mitesh Patel
On 08/31/2010 04:49 PM, Niles wrote: > I've noticed a separate list of developers on the DevMap at > sagemath.org . . . is there a plan to integrate these two lists? Harald, what do you think? There are directions at the bottom of the world DevMap page for submitting updates: http://www.sagemath

Re: [sage-devel] Busted maxima interface - anyone got a clue?

2010-08-31 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 08/31/10 05:56 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: As some of you know, I run the long doctests 100 times on my Sun Ultra 27 on sage 4.5.3.alpha0. I should have said it was on 4.5.3.alpha2. The last of the 32-bit Solaris x86 / OpenSolaris fixes were merged in 4.5.3.alpha2, so that's the first "rel

Re: [sage-devel] Busted maxima interface - anyone got a clue?

2010-08-31 Thread Mike Hansen
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > As you say, trac is down - it looks like /var is full on whatever machine > runs the server. /var is often used for log files. Perhaps someone with root > access on whatever machine it is could clean up /var. I did that this morning, alth

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-31 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 08/31/10 11:32 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: If you look at the Wolfram Research Library, where are a whole load of optional packages available contributed by users. I assume they have gone through at least some form of review before being put on the Wolfram web site. Acutally, it's quite funn

Re: [sage-devel] Busted maxima interface - anyone got a clue?

2010-08-31 Thread Alex Ghitza
Hi Mike, On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:11:50 -0700, Mike Hansen wrote: > I did that this morning, although apparently it was only enough to get > the server back up and working -- not enough to upload files. I > removed some old logs and you should be able to upload patches again. > I'll look into mov

Re: [sage-devel] Busted maxima interface - anyone got a clue?

2010-08-31 Thread Alex Ghitza
On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 00:07:43 +0100, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > It's nice to know that running the tests 100 times and reporting the failures > managed to unearth a bug. I'm not sure I would call this a bug, but it is definitely something that's very easy to overlook, and hard to detect without

Re: [sage-devel] Busted maxima interface - anyone got a clue?

2010-08-31 Thread Alex Ghitza
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:11:50 -0700, Mike Hansen wrote: > I did that this morning, although apparently it was only enough to get > the server back up and working -- not enough to upload files. I > removed some old logs and you should be able to upload patches again. > I'll look into moving it to a