Re: [sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-20 Thread William Stein
[Please respond on sage-windows...] On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Volker Braun wrote: > If you are fine with using a virtual machine then just punch the notebook > port through. The only thing running native would be the browser rendering > the worksheet. Of course you need admin rights to ins

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-20 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:07 AM, John Cremona wrote: > Why not move this thread to the sage-windows group? +1 -- I cross-posted my response there. > > John > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> >> On Apr 20, 10:20 pm, RegB <2regburg...@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> Perhap

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-20 Thread John Cremona
Why not move this thread to the sage-windows group? John On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On Apr 20, 10:20 pm, RegB <2regburg...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> Perhaps even farther off topic; >> I doubt that Cygwin (Cygwin/X) is in any case a good path for many/ >> most MS_

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-20 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Apr 20, 10:20 pm, RegB <2regburg...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Perhaps even farther off topic; > I doubt that Cygwin (Cygwin/X) is in any case a good path for many/ > most MS_Windows > folk - from THEIR point of view. > The path to getting Cygwin/X up and running "usefully" on a MS_Windows > plat

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-20 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Volker Braun wrote: > If you are fine with using a virtual machine then just punch the notebook > port through. The only thing running native would be the browser rendering > the worksheet. I think that this is the whole point no matter what approach we take; the

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-20 Thread kcrisman
On Apr 20, 10:20 am, RegB <2regburg...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Perhaps even farther off topic; > I doubt that Cygwin (Cygwin/X) is in any case a good path for many/ > most MS_Windows > folk - from THEIR point of view. > The path to getting Cygwin/X up and running "usefully" on a MS_Windows > plat

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-20 Thread RegB
Perhaps even farther off topic; I doubt that Cygwin (Cygwin/X) is in any case a good path for many/ most MS_Windows folk - from THEIR point of view. The path to getting Cygwin/X up and running "usefully" on a MS_Windows platform is long and arduous for the naive user, e.g. it was so for me. Oracle

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 04/20/11 04:21 AM, William Stein wrote: Python was annoyingly seriously broke on Cygwin for about 8 months. Gary understood exactly what the problem was, but the Cygwin dev's didn't seem to agree... at least not until several months.At the time (5 years ago), at least, it was very difficu

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-19 Thread Volker Braun
If you are fine with using a virtual machine then just punch the notebook port through. The only thing running native would be the browser rendering the worksheet. Of course you need admin rights to install a virtual machine, and there can be only one hypervisor on the system. So you'll never ha

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-19 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Georg S. Weber wrote: > > > On 19 Apr., 13:27, Keshav Kini wrote: >> Perhaps a bit off topic, but is there any possibility of Sage ever being >> ported to Windows natively, i.e. without cygwin dependencies? We have a >> couple thousand lines worth of shell scripts

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-19 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 19 Apr., 13:27, Keshav Kini wrote: > Perhaps a bit off topic, but is there any possibility of Sage ever being > ported to Windows natively, i.e. without cygwin dependencies? We have a > couple thousand lines worth of shell scripts currently underpinning Sage, > and we'd probably have to conve

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-19 Thread Jason Grout
On 4/19/11 9:32 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: Similar tasks for Singular, Maxima, etc etc... Maxima appears to already support Windows, at least in some shape or form: http://maxima.sourceforge.net/download.html Jason -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To uns

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-19 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Apr 19, 7:27 pm, Keshav Kini wrote: > Perhaps a bit off topic, but is there any possibility of Sage ever being > ported to Windows natively, i.e. without cygwin dependencies? We have a > couple thousand lines worth of shell scripts currently underpinning Sage, > and we'd probably have to conv

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-19 Thread Volker Braun
A lot of the C code is Sage relies on posix, in particular fork() is not provided by the Win32 API. So a plain Win32-version of Sage would be a very invasive rewrite of a lot of stuff. Even Microsoft noticed that you need to support posix for real work, so they have SFU (Windows Services for UN

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-19 Thread David Kirkby
On 19 April 2011 12:27, Keshav Kini wrote: > Perhaps a bit off topic, but is there any possibility of Sage ever being > ported to Windows natively, i.e. without cygwin dependencies? We have a > couple thousand lines worth of shell scripts currently underpinning Sage, > and we'd probably have to co

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-19 Thread Keshav Kini
Perhaps a bit off topic, but is there any possibility of Sage ever being ported to Windows natively, i.e. without cygwin dependencies? We have a couple thousand lines worth of shell scripts currently underpinning Sage, and we'd probably have to convert those to Python or something to make them

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-16 Thread Jason Grout
On 4/16/11 8:16 AM, Jason Grout wrote: On 4/16/11 2:04 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: As XP is becoming obsolete (it does not seem to be possible to easily buy it, or a new computer with it preinstalled) In fact, it's been end-of-lifed: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/help/end-support

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-16 Thread Jason Grout
On 4/16/11 2:04 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: As XP is becoming obsolete (it does not seem to be possible to easily buy it, or a new computer with it preinstalled) In fact, it's been end-of-lifed: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/help/end-support Jason -- To post to this group, send a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-16 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Mike, On 16 April 2011 14:36, Mike Hansen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> I recall reporting some weirdness on Windows 7, originating from the >> randomized addressing issue. >> (that's what rebase and rebaseall Cygwin utilities are/were fighting). >> At that

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-15 Thread Mike Hansen
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > I recall reporting some weirdness on Windows 7, originating from the > randomized addressing issue. > (that's what rebase and rebaseall Cygwin utilities are/were fighting). > At that time Cygwin still had Python 2.5. > > Is it correct that

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-15 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Mike, I recall reporting some weirdness on Windows 7, originating from the randomized addressing issue. (that's what rebase and rebaseall Cygwin utilities are/were fighting). At that time Cygwin still had Python 2.5. Is it correct that since then it has fixed itself, as Cygwin folks found a way t

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-15 Thread Alexandre Blondin Massé
Hi ! Thank you for the detailed answer. It will help to find someone who could work on the Windows port and I'm glad it seems reasonable to ask a good undergraduated student in computer science to do the job, at least partially. Alexandre -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@go

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-14 Thread Kelvin Li
Currently, windows porting efforts are focusing on porting to Cygwin. One of the targets for the Sage-5.0 release is a successful port to Cygwin. Here is a page with some good info: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/wiki/CygwinPort I am not involved in the project myself. Someone else with more