[sage-devel] Re: Bye

2016-02-23 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hello again, I read your comments and answered some of them. Let's make it simple: - William, who works at making people confuse Sage with his product SageMathCloud (making promotional videos ...) - Nicolas and his team, who I haven't actually working on trac for a while but build their career on

[sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread Ralf Stephan
Thanks for the bug reports. I don't think I will have time to work on these this week, so maybe someone else? Regards, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an emai

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Bye

2016-02-23 Thread Jason Grout
Definitely +1. Thanks for all your work, Nathann. Jason On Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 17:12 Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 06:28:46PM -0800, kcrisman wrote: > >...Though in open source development (at least in open development > >projects like this one) meaning that some

Re: [sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread Clemens Heuberger
On 2016-02-23 17:29, Clemens Heuberger wrote: > I try to pinpoint the other examples and will then report those. Here is the next issue which I encountered: $ sage-6.9/sage -c "print bool((x^2 - 1 - (x+1)*(x-1)) != 0)" False $ sage-6.10/sage -c "print bool((x^2 - 1 - (x+1)*(x-1)) != 0)" True I s

[sage-devel] Re: Is upgrading to common parent for "^" a good idea?

2016-02-23 Thread Travis Scrimshaw
> the latter gets evaluated by making coercing 2 into R and then trying to > raise to an element of R (which fails). Should we even be trying this? I > would think most valid cases of exponentiating are covered by actions. The > cases where it can be read as a binary operation on a single stru

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Bye

2016-02-23 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 06:28:46PM -0800, kcrisman wrote: >...Though in open source development (at least in open development >projects like this one) meaning that sometimes people will hit the road >over disagreements, everyone should definitely thank Nathann for loads >and loads

[sage-devel] Re: fix checksums for packages only under pip

2016-02-23 Thread Volker Braun
This is fixed in #19984 (needs review) On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 7:36:35 PM UTC+1, kcrisman wrote: > > [...] what is the desired behavior of this script in this scenario? I > really don't care but wanted to alert anyone who does. > Obviously it is not: Tripping over an old tarball and pr

Re: [sage-devel] fix checksums for packages only under pip

2016-02-23 Thread kcrisman
> On 2016-02-23 19:36, kcrisman wrote: >> > To wit, I still have a sqlalchemy tar in upstream/ >> >> That's the "problem"... don't put stuff in upstream if you don't want it >> handled by sage-fix-pkg-checksums. >> > > I think the question is, to what extent are users responsible for cleaning

Re: [sage-devel] fix checksums for packages only under pip

2016-02-23 Thread John H Palmieri
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 10:46:28 AM UTC-8, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > > On 2016-02-23 19:36, kcrisman wrote: > > To wit, I still have a sqlalchemy tar in upstream/ > > That's the "problem"... don't put stuff in upstream if you don't want it > handled by sage-fix-pkg-checksums. > I thin

Re: [sage-devel] fix checksums for packages only under pip

2016-02-23 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2016-02-23 19:36, kcrisman wrote: To wit, I still have a sqlalchemy tar in upstream/ That's the "problem"... don't put stuff in upstream if you don't want it handled by sage-fix-pkg-checksums. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group

[sage-devel] fix checksums for packages only under pip

2016-02-23 Thread kcrisman
When doing ./sage --fix-pkg-checksums: cat: /Users/.../sage/build/pkgs/sqlalchemy/package-version.txt: No such file or directory Maybe this has been resolved or is unimportant, but anyway I thought I would point it out. To wit, I still have a sqlalchemy tar in upstream/ despite http://trac.sa

Re: [sage-devel] Is upgrading to common parent for "^" a good idea?

2016-02-23 Thread Daniel Krenn
On 2016-02-23 17:10, Nils Bruin wrote: > sage: R.=QQ[] > sage: 2^t > > the latter gets evaluated by making coercing 2 into R and then trying to > raise to an element of R (which fails). Should we even be trying this? I > would think most valid cases of exponentiating are covered by actions. Yes,

[sage-devel] Re: Bye

2016-02-23 Thread 'Bill Hart' via sage-devel
Nathann, Point taken, loud and clear. But consider boycotting the forum for a while under protest and returning after a break. Why sacrifice the things that you enjoy, just to make a point to others. I'm pretty sure there are lots of people that value your contributions in this community great

Re: [sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Eric Gourgoulhon wrote: > Hi, > > Le mardi 23 février 2016 16:39:20 UTC+1, William a écrit : >> >> >> It seems to me that >> >> sage: x = var('x') >> sage: bool(x!=infinity) >> False >> >> *is* a newly introduced bug. I can't understand how the above >> behavior c

Re: [sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread Eric Gourgoulhon
Hi, Le mardi 23 février 2016 16:39:20 UTC+1, William a écrit : > > > It seems to me that > > sage: x = var('x') > sage: bool(x!=infinity) > False > > *is* a newly introduced bug. I can't understand how the above > behavior could be justified > In the same vein, note that sage: x = SR.var(

Re: [sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread kcrisman
This smells like http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/18877 ("better nonnumeric comparisons with infinity", in particular). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[sage-devel] Re: A Question About Sage Automated Build Service ("Continuous Integration")

2016-02-23 Thread Martin Vahi
Thank You for the answers. I guess that keeps me busy for a while. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[sage-devel] Re: Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread Martin Vahi
Given that the virtual appliance file formats seem to be somewhat standardized so that different virtual machine running software can export-import virtual appliances, the most hassle free solution for writing scientific papers that use Sage might be the http://files.sagemath.org/win/index.ht

[sage-devel] Is upgrading to common parent for "^" a good idea?

2016-02-23 Thread Nils Bruin
A question for coercion experts: Currently we have: sage: cm=get_coercion_model() sage: cm.explain(ZZ,QQ['t'],operator.pow) Coercion on left operand via Composite map: From: Integer Ring To: Univariate Polynomial Ring in t over Rational Field Defn: Natural morphism:

Re: [sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Clemens Heuberger wrote: > On 2016-02-23 16:57, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> On 2016-02-23 15:50, Clemens Heuberger wrote: >>> It is also impossible to compile Sage 6.5 nowadays >> >> I assume this was a build from git? That's indeed not supported. A real >> build-from

Re: [sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread Clemens Heuberger
On 2016-02-23 16:57, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2016-02-23 15:50, Clemens Heuberger wrote: >> It is also impossible to compile Sage 6.5 nowadays > > I assume this was a build from git? That's indeed not supported. A real > build-from-source-tarball should still work. yes, I tried to build from gi

[sage-devel] Re: Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread Volker Braun
Source tarball is online, go to http://files.sagemath.org and click on "...source code of Sage (older versions)" On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 3:50:29 PM UTC+1, Clemens Heuberger wrote: > > It turns out that the old code no longer works with Sage 7.0. It is also > impossible to compile Sage

Re: [sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2016-02-23 15:50, Clemens Heuberger wrote: It is also impossible to compile Sage 6.5 nowadays I assume this was a build from git? That's indeed not supported. A real build-from-source-tarball should still work. Bottom line: I cannot reproduce 11 month old results anymore. Personally, I

Re: [sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Clemens Heuberger wrote: > I am currently revising a paper that I submitted in March 2015. Parts of the > results heavily rely on computations in Sage; at that time, Sage 6.5. > > It turns out that the old code no longer works with Sage 7.0. It is also > impossible

[sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread Clemens Heuberger
I am currently revising a paper that I submitted in March 2015. Parts of the results heavily rely on computations in Sage; at that time, Sage 6.5. It turns out that the old code no longer works with Sage 7.0. It is also impossible to compile Sage 6.5 nowadays because the infrastructure changed (it

[sage-devel] Re: google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

2016-02-23 Thread Jayamine A.
Sir , I did not get the question. Can you explain it again? I think you are asking why hyperplane On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 12:24:27 AM UTC+5:30, mmarco wrote: > > Ops, i didn't see that. > > One question, what is the reason for defining a specific class for these > algebras instead of

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Failure to Compile Sage 7.0 Stable on openSUSE Linux

2016-02-23 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2016-02-22 23:18, Volker Braun wrote: I think you just ran out of RAM Most likely. Note the signal is "Killed", not "Segmentation Fault". So it's probably the out-of-memory killer which killed your gcc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-de