[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Adding data in patch

2013-03-21 Thread Keshav Kini
Simon King writes: > However, if you *are* upstream (i.e., if your data are only published in > this form, but not as an independent project), I'd say tracking it with > mercural is fine. But perhaps other people have a different viewpoint. Please don't. When we merge all the SPKGs' repositories

[sage-devel] Re: Bug in basic rational matrix function

2013-03-21 Thread Andrey Novoseltsev
This somehow looks close to what I reported here: http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/ec5afc6027106c52/879d17ec55e92aed regarding "debug()" command in the notebook. On Mar 20, 1:54 pm, John Cremona wrote: > In Sage-5.8, we have a matrix M of rationals: > > type(M) > >

Re: [sage-devel] About the extcode spkg

2013-03-21 Thread Ivan Andrus
On Mar 21, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Julien Puydt wrote: > Hi, > > the extcode spkg lacks a SPKG.txt, and has no description in > http://www.sagemath.org/packages/standard/. > > Looking at its content shows: > - jsmath (why isn't it in a proper spkg?) > - things for the notebook (why isn't it in the s

[sage-devel] Re: a problem in the new permutation groups code (and a solution ?)

2013-03-21 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2013-03-21, Nils Bruin wrote: > On Mar 21, 9:05 am, Benjamin Jones wrote: >> It seems to me that the ambiguity arises from the original statement, > > Systems like magma (and I assume gap as well) solve this by having a > "GSet" type. If you have S3 acting on the GSet V={1,2,3} then, one can >

Re: [sage-devel] About the extcode spkg

2013-03-21 Thread Robert Bradshaw
It's basically a random place people started sticking stuff that "didn't belong" in the main library. It'll go away with the git refactoring. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julien Puydt wrote: > Hi, > > the extcode spkg lacks a SPKG.txt, and has no description in > http://www.sagemath.org/packa

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Another Sage review - from CUNY Math blog

2013-03-21 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:25 PM, john_perry_usm wrote: > On Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:15:05 AM UTC-5, kcrisman wrote: >> >> Despite the overall positive tone, I have to say my favorite quote is: >> >> "I can not help but editorialize that installing and using SageTeX took me >> approximately 4 ho

[sage-devel] Re: a problem in the new permutation groups code (and a solution ?)

2013-03-21 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2013-03-21, Benjamin Jones wrote: > --f46d0444e849ed15b904d871801a > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It seems to me that the ambiguity arises from the original statement, "the > orbit (1,2) under G", not the fact that the domain is non-homogeneous. It's > less ambiguous to say

[sage-devel] Re: Another Sage review - from CUNY Math blog

2013-03-21 Thread Volker Braun
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:25:32 PM UTC+1, john_perry_usm wrote: > On the other hand, perhaps he just means to say that Sage is as elegant > and useful as Pegasus, in which case I concur wholeheartedly. :-) > As useful as a horse with wings? Like, you also need a roof over your paddock? And

[sage-devel] Re: Another Sage review - from CUNY Math blog

2013-03-21 Thread john_perry_usm
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:15:05 AM UTC-5, kcrisman wrote: > > Despite the overall positive tone, I have to say my favorite quote is: > > "I can not help but editorialize that installing and using SageTeX took me > approximately 4 hours of hair tearing frustration — it is comparable in > diffi

Re: [sage-devel] About the extcode spkg

2013-03-21 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2013-03-21 21:15, Julien Puydt wrote: > Looking at its content shows: > - jsmath (why isn't it in a proper spkg?) > - things for the notebook (why isn't it in the sagenb spkg?) These two could probably be removed I guess. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gr

[sage-devel] About the extcode spkg

2013-03-21 Thread Julien Puydt
Hi, the extcode spkg lacks a SPKG.txt, and has no description in http://www.sagemath.org/packages/standard/. Looking at its content shows: - jsmath (why isn't it in a proper spkg?) - things for the notebook (why isn't it in the sagenb spkg?) - something about a mac app (shouldn't it rather go

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 5.8 on ARM

2013-03-21 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:40 AM, mmarco wrote: > >> Last time I talked to him, he suggested we use qemu to make a virtual >> ARM machine. That's probably faster than actual >> hardware for this purpose, and we can configure it to have way more RAM. > > > Is that true? emulating an arm processor

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 5.8 on ARM

2013-03-21 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 21/03/2013 19:40, mmarco a écrit : Last time I talked to him, he suggested we use qemu to make a virtual ARM machine. That's probably faster than actual hardware for this purpose, and we can configure it to have way more RAM. Is that true? emulating an arm processor is actually faster t

[sage-devel] Re: 5.8 fails test of r-2.15.2.p1 on opensuse 12.3

2013-03-21 Thread Ricksme
I have made the log file r-2.15.2.p1.log_13mar20 available via ftp. user: sage_gro...@aardvarr.ca password: password -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 5.8 on ARM

2013-03-21 Thread mmarco
> Last time I talked to him, he suggested we use qemu to make a virtual > ARM machine.   That's probably faster than actual > hardware for this purpose, and we can configure it to have way more RAM. Is that true? emulating an arm processor is actually faster than the processor itself? Wow! --

[sage-devel] Re: A problem with exceptions in cached functions

2013-03-21 Thread Nils Bruin
On Mar 20, 10:01 am, leif wrote: > Abstraction.  Although it's (currently) not foo._f nor foo.__f, I > wouldn't say f is part of a cached function's public interface, but > rather an implementation detail. Fair enough. So why not make "foo.f" part of the public interface? Python properties (and t

Re: [sage-devel] Another Sage review - from CUNY Math blog

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Drake
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 at 11:23AM -0700, Volker Braun wrote: > On Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:18:04 PM UTC+1, Dan Drake wrote: > > > That's not *my* favorite quote. But I really don't know what I could do > > to make using SageTeX any easier. You simply have to somehow make > > sagetex.sty available

Re: [sage-devel] Sage 5.8 on ARM

2013-03-21 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 21/03/2013 07:04, Julien Puydt a écrit : I'll post the results of "make ptestlong" when I'll have had the time to run it (could take a few days). I didn't manage to run "make ptestlong" correctly : after a while, the box get loaded like crazy and tests start to fail with timeouts. I had a

Re: [sage-devel] Another Sage review - from CUNY Math blog

2013-03-21 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > On Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:18:04 PM UTC+1, Dan Drake wrote: >> >> That's not *my* favorite quote. But I really don't know what I could do >> to make using SageTeX any easier. You simply have to somehow make >> sagetex.sty available to the

Re: [sage-devel] Another Sage review - from CUNY Math blog

2013-03-21 Thread Volker Braun
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:18:04 PM UTC+1, Dan Drake wrote: > That's not *my* favorite quote. But I really don't know what I could do > to make using SageTeX any easier. You simply have to somehow make > sagetex.sty available to the TeX system and I don't think there's any > universal, cross

Re: [sage-devel] Another Sage review - from CUNY Math blog

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Drake
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 at 06:15AM -0700, kcrisman wrote: > Despite the overall positive tone, I have to say my favorite quote is: > > "I can not help but editorialize that installing and using SageTeX took me > approximately 4 hours of hair tearing frustration — it is comparable in > difficulty to

[sage-devel] Re: a problem in the new permutation groups code (and a solution ?)

2013-03-21 Thread Nils Bruin
On Mar 21, 9:05 am, Benjamin Jones wrote: > It seems to me that the ambiguity arises from the original statement, Systems like magma (and I assume gap as well) solve this by having a "GSet" type. If you have S3 acting on the GSet V={1,2,3} then, one can construct the powerset W of V as a GSet as

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 5.8 on ARM

2013-03-21 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:31 AM, mmarco wrote: > I can only thak you for the effort on compiling sage on ARM, > considering that you do it in your very own small laptop. > > What happened with the ARM box that William said he would buy for the > sagemath cluster? Andrew Ohana was unfortunately un

Re: [sage-devel] a problem in the new permutation groups code (and a solution ?)

2013-03-21 Thread Benjamin Jones
It seems to me that the ambiguity arises from the original statement, "the orbit (1,2) under G", not the fact that the domain is non-homogeneous. It's less ambiguous to say directly G.{1, 2} (the orbit of the _element_ {1, 2}) versus G.1 \union G.2 (the orbit of the subset {1, 2}). Then, which grou

[sage-devel] Re: FLINT developers Workshop 4-12 May

2013-03-21 Thread kcrisman
On Mar 21, 11:16 am, Fredrik Johansson wrote: > On Mar 20, 5:50 pm, kcrisman wrote: > > > Bill et al., > > > Along these lines, I'm just curious > > abouthttp://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12173upgradingFLINT in > > Sage...  Is enough of zn_poly (in particular, all of it?) to allow us t

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 5.8 on ARM

2013-03-21 Thread mmarco
I can only thak you for the effort on compiling sage on ARM, considering that you do it in your very own small laptop. What happened with the ARM box that William said he would buy for the sagemath cluster? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel

[sage-devel] Re: FLINT developers Workshop 4-12 May

2013-03-21 Thread Fredrik Johansson
On Mar 20, 5:50 pm, kcrisman wrote: > Bill et al., > > Along these lines, I'm just curious > abouthttp://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12173upgrading FLINT in > Sage...  Is enough of zn_poly (in particular, all of it?) to allow us to > remove that spkg?  Since that code is more or less unmain

[sage-devel] a problem in the new permutation groups code (and a solution ?)

2013-03-21 Thread Dima Pasechnik
While working on http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/14291, it came to my attention that one can now have permutation groups acting on quite arbitrary domains (the only requirement for the domain elements seems to be them being hashable). This leads to the following kind of confusing situati

[sage-devel] Re: Bug in basic rational matrix function

2013-03-21 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2013-03-21, John Cremona wrote: > On 21 March 2013 03:25, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> On 2013-03-20, John Cremona wrote: >>> In Sage-5.8, we have a matrix M of rationals: >>> >>> type(M) >>> >>> >>> M.parent() >>> Full MatrixSpace of 138 by 179 dense matrices over Rational Field >>> >>> but none

[sage-devel] Ideas for how to reorganize "library" on website

2013-03-21 Thread kcrisman
Starting new thread... On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:15:05 AM UTC-4, kcrisman wrote: > > I hadn't seen this before. I think it definitely belongs in the "positive > views of Sage" category. I notice that maybe we want to reorganize > http://sagemath.org/library.html or find ways to allow it to

[sage-devel] Another Sage review - from CUNY Math blog

2013-03-21 Thread kcrisman
I hadn't seen this before. I think it definitely belongs in the "positive views of Sage" category. I notice that maybe we want to reorganize http://sagemath.org/library.html or find ways to allow it to be updated more frequently. At the very least, there are so many independent (i.e. non-Sag

Re: [sage-devel] test failures for 5.9.beta0

2013-03-21 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2013-03-21 12:22, Charles Bouillaguet wrote: > Is this an error on my side ? No, the patchbot should be fixed for sage-5.9.beta0 to replace -sagenb by --sagenb. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: [sage-devel] test failures for 5.9.beta0

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
On 03/21/2013 02:03 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2013-03-21 04:09, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> 1. I notice that many tests (like "sage -t >> devel/sage/sage/rings/arith.py") are run three times. > Any suspicious environment variables? What is > $ env | grep SAGE Here is all of env: DOT_

Re: [sage-devel] test failures for 5.9.beta0

2013-03-21 Thread Charles Bouillaguet
Hi, I tried to start a patchbot for 5.9beta0, and I got the following failure : plugins.docbuild -- 11 seconds == end plugins.docbuild == $SAGE_ROOT/sage -tp 3 -sagenb $SAGE_ROOT/devel/sage-0/doc/common $SAGE_ROOT/devel/sage-0/doc/en $SAGE_ROOT/devel/sage-0/doc/fr $SAGE_ROOT/de

[sage-devel] Re: sound in Sage..

2013-03-21 Thread leif
John H Palmieri wrote: On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:42:52 PM UTC-7, leif wrote: Simon King wrote: > Hi Leif, > > On 2013-03-20, leif > wrote: >> We do have show(), so we could likely have play(), > > Why should there be a different command for showing a plot,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Bug in basic rational matrix function

2013-03-21 Thread John Cremona
On 21 March 2013 03:25, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > On 2013-03-20, John Cremona wrote: >> In Sage-5.8, we have a matrix M of rationals: >> >> type(M) >> >> >> M.parent() >> Full MatrixSpace of 138 by 179 dense matrices over Rational Field >> >> but none of M.rank(), M.kernel() or even plain M work, a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 5.8 fails test of r-2.15.2.p1 on opensuse 12.3

2013-03-21 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2013-03-21 09:50, Simon King wrote: > Hi Jeroen, > > On 2013-03-21, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> On 2013-03-21 03:52, Ricksme wrote: >>> Following the recommendation within the install.log, I am reporting >>> test failure of package r-2.15.2.p1 during installation from source of >>> sage-5.8 on op

[sage-devel] Re: 5.8 fails test of r-2.15.2.p1 on opensuse 12.3

2013-03-21 Thread Simon King
Hi Jeroen, On 2013-03-21, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2013-03-21 03:52, Ricksme wrote: >> Following the recommendation within the install.log, I am reporting >> test failure of package r-2.15.2.p1 during installation from source of >> sage-5.8 on opensuse 12.3 (x86_64). >> I have attached the fina

[sage-devel] Re: sound in Sage..

2013-03-21 Thread Volker Braun
No need to reinvent the wheel. From the console, use xdg-open to play audio files. Leave the configuration to the desktop environment. On Thursday, March 21, 2013 12:42:52 AM UTC+1, leif wrote: > > Well, you could of course extend show()'s capabilities (and probably > make play() just an alias),

Re: [sage-devel] test failures for 5.9.beta0

2013-03-21 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2013-03-21 04:09, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > 1. I notice that many tests (like "sage -t > devel/sage/sage/rings/arith.py") are run three times. Any suspicious environment variables? What is $ env | grep SAGE > File "devel/sage/sage/misc/interpreter.py", line 566, in > sage.misc.interpre