[sage-devel] Re: Segregating development from production

2012-03-08 Thread Keshav Kini
Jeroen Demeyer writes: > You forget to address one very important point: *why* should we do this? > Which problem will it solve? Would you accept "the current way is ugly" as a problem it will solve? Mainly, it's cleaner to separate development code from production code than to have code reposit

Re: [sage-devel] Segregating development from production

2012-03-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
You forget to address one very important point: *why* should we do this? Which problem will it solve? -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this grou

[sage-devel] Re: Version bumping of extcode and sage_scripts

2012-03-08 Thread Keshav Kini
John H Palmieri writes: > - Keshav has also proposed merging all of the repositories for the spkgs into > a single repository. This is also an interesting idea. How would that fit in? Personally I would abandon SPKGs altogether. It never made sense to me that we have made up our own package mana

[sage-devel] Re: Segregating development from production

2012-03-08 Thread Keshav Kini
Keshav Kini writes: > - Move all various non-SPKG repositories to devel/sage/ Sorry, I meant move all various non-SPKG repositories to devel/sage* (as explained in the subsequent lines). -Keshav Join us in #sagemath on irc.freenode.net ! -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-de

[sage-devel] Segregating development from production

2012-03-08 Thread Keshav Kini
Hello, There has been a lot of talk recently about totally refactoring the way that a Sage installation is structured, which is great, but will no doubt take a lot of effort. Looking at the directory structure of lmonade (and talking to Burcin on this list about it a bit), as well as `R. Andrew O

Re: [sage-devel] Re: OSX10.7 (Lion)'s blas is REALLY BUGGY: Fwd: cvxopt on MacOSX 10.7

2012-03-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Friday, 9 March 2012 10:37:46 UTC+8, François wrote: > > On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 18:31:14 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > yes, I think 1.1.4 is no different in this way. Actually, we should > update > > our cvxopt spkg to 1.1.4. > Ok but that still mean we have a bug with the latest OS X. So we should

Re: [sage-devel] Re: OSX10.7 (Lion)'s blas is REALLY BUGGY: Fwd: cvxopt on MacOSX 10.7

2012-03-08 Thread François Bissey
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 18:31:14 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > yes, I think 1.1.4 is no different in this way. Actually, we should update > our cvxopt spkg to 1.1.4. Ok but that still mean we have a bug with the latest OS X. So we should look for a solution of some kind. Are the cvxopt authors interested in

Re: [sage-devel] Re: OSX10.7 (Lion)'s blas is REALLY BUGGY: Fwd: cvxopt on MacOSX 10.7

2012-03-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Friday, 9 March 2012 10:26:23 UTC+8, François wrote: > > On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 18:21:40 John H Palmieri wrote: > > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:49:12 PM UTC-8, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > It turns out that here Apple is not doing anything wrong. > > > (after having a discussion here: > > > https

[sage-devel] Re: OSX10.7 (Lion)'s blas is REALLY BUGGY: Fwd: cvxopt on MacOSX 10.7

2012-03-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Hi John, I emailed you my latest communication to them. Hopefully it's not such a big deal. Dima On Friday, 9 March 2012 10:21:40 UTC+8, John H Palmieri wrote: > > > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:49:12 PM UTC-8, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> It turns out that here Apple is not doing anything wrong

Re: [sage-devel] Re: OSX10.7 (Lion)'s blas is REALLY BUGGY: Fwd: cvxopt on MacOSX 10.7

2012-03-08 Thread François Bissey
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 18:21:40 John H Palmieri wrote: > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:49:12 PM UTC-8, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > It turns out that here Apple is not doing anything wrong. > > (after having a discussion here: > > https://discussions.apple.com/message/17795537) > > > > It's improper use

[sage-devel] Re: OSX10.7 (Lion)'s blas is REALLY BUGGY: Fwd: cvxopt on MacOSX 10.7

2012-03-08 Thread John H Palmieri
On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:49:12 PM UTC-8, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > It turns out that here Apple is not doing anything wrong. > (after having a discussion here: > https://discussions.apple.com/message/17795537) > > It's improper use of BLAS by CVXOPT people that triggers errors. > The C code

[sage-devel] Re: OSX10.7 (Lion)'s blas is REALLY BUGGY: Fwd: cvxopt on MacOSX 10.7

2012-03-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
It turns out that here Apple is not doing anything wrong. (after having a discussion here: https://discussions.apple.com/message/17795537) It's improper use of BLAS by CVXOPT people that triggers errors. The C code in question violates BLAS convention that incx=0 in these kinds of BLAS function

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC2012 Project Proposals

2012-03-08 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:35 AM, David Roe wrote: > If we get GSOC funding I could supervise various projects, depending on > interest (though probably only one of these): David, if you have time, can you expand on these projects like I did, e.g., fill in: GENERAL CONTEXT: PREREQUISITES: MENTOR:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC2012 Project Proposals

2012-03-08 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:09, Daniel Krenn wrote: >> How should a project proposal look like? I've read the FAQ of GSOC, >> there is written something about that, but maybe we have a common way >> to do it for Sage-projects. > > Hi, about a

[sage-devel] Weird looking representation of quotients of radicals

2012-03-08 Thread Javier López Peña
Using sage 5.0 beta 7: sage: 1/sqrt(2) 1/2*sqrt(2) This is mathematically correct when taken to mean (by precedence of operators) (1/2)*sqrt(2) personally I find it confusing, and many of my students (who don't know the first thing about precedence orders) took it to mean 1/(2*sqrt(2)) with

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC2012 Project Proposals

2012-03-08 Thread Harald Schilly
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:09, Daniel Krenn wrote: > How should a project proposal look like? I've read the FAQ of GSOC, > there is written something about that, but maybe we have a common way > to do it for Sage-projects. Hi, about a week ago I wrote you emails with more details. Basically, it's

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC2012 Project Proposals

2012-03-08 Thread Daniel Krenn
On Mar 7, 1:38 pm, Harald Schilly wrote: > 2012/3/7 Lukáš Lánský : > > Application deadline is in two days. What is left to do? > I'm writing the application, i.e. a bit of a rewrite of the one from > the last year. What's missing are some new (or rewritten) project > proposals. Very few feedback

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Wolfram on Reddit

2012-03-08 Thread David Kirkby
On 7 March 2012 05:34, Keshav Kini wrote: > "Dr. David Kirkby" writes: >> Well, I think Wolfram Research have a VERY long way to go before >> Mathematica is the easiest to learn language. > > I don't know about that. Mathematica is not extremely difficult. I did not say it is "extreamly difficul