[sage-devel] Re: Announcement, Nov 17 2010: New Version of OEIS!

2010-11-25 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 9:10 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:27 PM, N. J. A. Sloane > wrote: >> Announcement, Nov 17 2010: New Version of OEIS! >> === >> >> After 2 years of struggle, there is a new version of the >> On-Line Encycl

[sage-devel] Re: Announcement, Nov 17 2010: New Version of OEIS!

2010-11-25 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:27 PM, N. J. A. Sloane wrote: > Announcement, Nov 17 2010: New Version of OEIS! > === > > After 2 years of struggle, there is a new version of the > On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences (the OEIS). > There are two parts: th

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Tom Boothby wrote: > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:11 PM, David Kirkby wrote: >> On 26 November 2010 01:56, Donald Alan Morrison >> wrote: >> >>> A1: If the license says you can't or the stripped version is no longer >>> available, that's not an option. >> >>> -Don

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Tom Boothby
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:11 PM, David Kirkby wrote: > On 26 November 2010 01:56, Donald Alan Morrison wrote: > >> A1: If the license says you can't or the stripped version is no longer >> available, that's not an option. > >> -Don > > That would be true if the license was legally enforceable, wh

[sage-devel] Re: Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Surely they are about to sign an exclusive deal with Apple to have all its http://oeis.org/play content available via iTunes Store... On Nov 26, 12:11 pm, David Kirkby wrote: > On 26 November 2010 01:56, Donald Alan Morrison wrote: > > > A1: If the license says you can't or the stripped version

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread David Kirkby
On 26 November 2010 01:56, Donald Alan Morrison wrote: > A1: If the license says you can't or the stripped version is no longer > available, that's not an option. > -Don That would be true if the license was legally enforceable, which I very much doubt it is. Dave -- To post to this group, s

[sage-devel] Port change for http://t2nb.math.washington.edu

2010-11-25 Thread David Kirkby
The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) is responsible for maintaining the official assignments of port numbers for specific uses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers IThe default port for a Sage server (8000) is officia

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Tom Boothby
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Donald Alan Morrison wrote: > On Nov 25, 5:24 pm, Tom Boothby wrote: >> Two technical solutions: >> >> 1) have 'make' download the database. >> 2) Before we make each release, dump a few gigabytes onto the OEIS >> wiki, such that what we distribute is well under 5

[sage-devel] Re: Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Donald Alan Morrison
On Nov 25, 5:24 pm, Tom Boothby wrote: > Two technical solutions: > > 1) have 'make' download the database. > 2) Before we make each release, dump a few gigabytes onto the OEIS > wiki, such that what we distribute is well under 5% of their > "aggregate content".  (tongue firmly in cheek) Tom: Not

[sage-devel] Re: Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Donald Alan Morrison
On Nov 25, 5:19 pm, David Joyner wrote: >[...] > (b) Even if he does own copyright (and I'm not saying he does), since it is > free data and no one makes any money from it, if someone did redistribute the > data which is already freely available, how can he prove that any > damage occurred? >[..

Re: [sage-devel] Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Tom Boothby
Two technical solutions: 1) have 'make' download the database. 2) Before we make each release, dump a few gigabytes onto the OEIS wiki, such that what we distribute is well under 5% of their "aggregate content". (tongue firmly in cheek) -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@goog

Re: [sage-devel] Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Tom Boothby
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:15 PM, William Stein wrote: > I encourage people to read the terms here > http://oeis.org/wiki/The_OEIS_End-User_License_Agreement to make sure > I'm not misunderstanding them.  And if you're the sort of person (like > me), who has contributed to OEIS, to think twice be

Re: [sage-devel] Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread David Joyner
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:15 PM, William Stein wrote: ... > Hi, > ... > > http://oeis.org/wiki/The_OEIS_End-User_License_Agreement > > > I think this is a very, very sad direction for OEIS to have gone in, > with Sloane passing it off under such terms.  It's really a shame. > Wikipedia has pr

[sage-devel] Re: Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Donald Alan Morrison
On Nov 25, 4:02 pm, Rob Beezer wrote: > On Nov 25, 3:35 pm, Donald Alan Morrison > wrote: > > > "Abramowitz and Stegun: Handbook of Mathematical Functions" is another > > interesting topic source you mentioned.  It is very nice that it's > > free to view.  I'm surprised that it's just scanned ima

[sage-devel] Re: Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Rob Beezer
On Nov 25, 3:35 pm, Donald Alan Morrison wrote: > "Abramowitz and Stegun: Handbook of Mathematical Functions" is another > interesting topic source you mentioned.  It is very nice that it's > free to view.  I'm surprised that it's just scanned imagessomeone > could have run it through OCR, the

[sage-devel] Re: Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Donald Alan Morrison
On Nov 25, 12:15 pm, William Stein wrote: > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Mike Hansen wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:43 AM, ulfarsson wrote: > >> the function sloane_find seems to be broken after the recent updates > >> to The online encyclopedia of integer sequences, oies.org. For e

Re: [sage-devel] Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Dan Drake
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 at 12:15PM -0800, William Stein wrote: > Unfortunately, I looked at the new OEIS end user license. Very, very > sadly, redistributing the above file is a blatant violation of these > terms (see Section 2, number 2). So Mike, please remove it at some > point so I don't get into

[sage-devel] Re: NEW: Sage Windows installer.exe (577 MB): it's a 1-click install !!!

2010-11-25 Thread emil
Hi RegB, thanks for extremly valuable feedback! > Thanks, > A correction to the failure to evaluate. > On a "FRESH" system, such as a windoze user might try this on. > When sage is started a pop up requester appears asking for a new > password, but it is quickly overwritten by the browser image,

Re: [sage-devel] Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Mike Hansen
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:15 PM, William Stein wrote: > Unfortunately, I looked at the new OEIS end user license.  Very, very > sadly, redistributing the above file is a blatant violation of these > terms (see Section 2, number 2). So Mike, please remove it at some > point so I don't get into tro

Re: [sage-devel] Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Mike Hansen wrote: > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:43 AM, ulfarsson wrote: >> the function sloane_find seems to be broken after the recent updates >> to The online encyclopedia of integer sequences, oies.org. For example >> >> sloane_find([1,2,3,4,5,6]) >> >> does no

Re: [sage-devel] Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:40 PM, John Cremona wrote: > I never use these canonical embeddings, and cannot think of a reason > for defining one field twice in this way... > > Now this would be more useful: > > sage: K. = NumberField(x^2+3) > sage: L. = NumberField(x^2+x+1) > sage: K.has_coerce_map_

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread Simon King
On 25 Nov., 17:04, Simon King wrote: > Well, let's see what debugging reveals. Got it! In NumberField_absolute._coerce_map_from_, an EmbeddedNumberFieldMorphism is constructed. The optional argument (namely the ambient field) is constructed, but it was forgotten to pass it as an optional argumen

Re: [sage-devel] Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Mike Hansen
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:43 AM, ulfarsson wrote: > the function sloane_find seems to be broken after the recent updates > to The online encyclopedia of integer sequences, oies.org. For example > > sloane_find([1,2,3,4,5,6]) > > does not find anything in the database. This is http://trac.sagemath

[sage-devel] Re: NEW: Sage Windows installer.exe (577 MB): it's a 1-click install !!!

2010-11-25 Thread RegB
Thanks, A correction to the failure to evaluate. On a "FRESH" system, such as a windoze user might try this on. When sage is started a pop up requester appears asking for a new password, but it is quickly overwritten by the browser image, so it can be easily missed by someone not looking/waiting fo

[sage-devel] Re: NEW: Sage Windows installer.exe (577 MB): it's a 1-click install !!!

2010-11-25 Thread RegB
Thanks, A correction to the failure to evaluate. On a "FRESH" system, such as a windoze user might try this on. When sage is started a pop up requester appears asking for a new password, but it is quickly overwritten by the browser image, so it can be easily missed by someone not looking/waiting fo

[sage-devel] Re: NEW: Sage Windows installer.exe (577 MB): it's a 1-click install !!!

2010-11-25 Thread RegB
OK, I found the lack of evaluation on . On a "FRESH" system when sage notebook() is entered on the terminal screen a requester pops up asking for a new password and VERY SOON after that the browser window overlays it. It is easy to miss the new password requester, obviously I did on Friday. Newbies

[sage-devel] Re: NEW: Sage Windows installer.exe (577 MB): it's a 1-click install !!!

2010-11-25 Thread emil
> This is great news, though I too wonder whether having to reboot and > fiddling with things at a low level would worry some potential users It may, but to install software and have to reboot then was quite common when I used windows. I also agree that fidling with things low level is not for th

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread Simon King
Hi Luis! On 25 Nov., 15:43, luisfe wrote: > I might be wrong, since coercion still looks "magic" like me. But it > seems that before trying pushout of the objects, Sage tries > L1.coerce_map_from(L2) That's correct, and in fact this is where things go boom. > The infinite bucle looks related wi

[sage-devel] Re: Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread Donald Alan Morrison
On Nov 25, 7:43 am, ulfarsson wrote: > Hi, > > the function sloane_find seems to be broken after the recent updates > to The online encyclopedia of integer sequences, oies.org. For example > > sloane_find([1,2,3,4,5,6]) > > does not find anything in the database. The oies has also taken down > t

[sage-devel] Searching OEIS is broken

2010-11-25 Thread ulfarsson
Hi, the function sloane_find seems to be broken after the recent updates to The online encyclopedia of integer sequences, oies.org. For example sloane_find([1,2,3,4,5,6]) does not find anything in the database. The oies has also taken down the stripped version of their database at http://oeis.or

[sage-devel] Re: NEW: Sage Windows installer.exe (577 MB): it's a 1-click install !!!

2010-11-25 Thread kcrisman
> I think the comments were perfectly appropriate and valid, because I > didn't really stated what method I use. > And I think the worries about breaking an existing system are serious > concerns. > I am just 1 person and it worked for me (on 2 different machines now). > My opinion is that this is

[sage-devel] Re: NEW: Sage Windows installer.exe (577 MB): it's a 1-click install !!!

2010-11-25 Thread emil
> Emil, > I am the ABSOLUTE NOVICE here, so wherever is deemed appropriate > to hold it is fine with me. > If there is a sage-pre-alpha-test discussion group that would probably > be most appropriate (-: I think it is a different matter. It is not about pre-alpha. Because sage -testall passes on t

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread luisfe
Hi Simon, On 25 nov, 13:53, Simon King wrote: > Now I'm puzzled where the ERROR comes from. I might be wrong, since coercion still looks "magic" like me. But it seems that before trying pushout of the objects, Sage tries L1.coerce_map_from(L2) Now, it seems that, whenever BOTH fields have an em

[sage-devel] Re: NEW: Sage Windows installer.exe (577 MB): it's a 1-click install !!!

2010-11-25 Thread RegB
Emil, I am the ABSOLUTE NOVICE here, so wherever is deemed appropriate to hold it is fine with me. If there is a sage-pre-alpha-test discussion group that would probably be most appropriate (-: By the way, I do TRUST Virtual Box. (VMware player ?, not so much) It has provided very good isolation o

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Should notebook use a deport port of 8080 and not 8000?

2010-11-25 Thread David Kirkby
On 21 November 2010 16:05, tuxiano wrote: > I'm not an expert of the matter, but I'm the user who made the comment > and I'd like to add that I don't have problems with sites that use > port 8080 while I can't connect to sites that use port 8000, for > example I can't connect to > > http://t2nb.ma

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread Simon King
Hi Luis, On 25 Nov., 14:01, luisfe wrote: > mmm, with a clean sage 4.6 I get > > sage: pushout(L1,L2) > Exception RuntimeError: 'maximum recursion depth exceeded while > calling a Python object' in ignored > ... > RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded > > I will try with patch #8800 No

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread luisfe
On Nov 25, 1:53 pm, Simon King wrote: > Hi Luis, > > With merging as I proposed in my previous post, one gets > > sage: K. = NumberField(x^4-2) > sage: L1. = NumberField(x^2-2, embedding = r4**2) > sage: L2. = NumberField(x^2-2, embedding = -r4**2) > sage: from sage.categories.pushout import pus

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread Simon King
Hi Luis, With merging as I proposed in my previous post, one gets sage: K. = NumberField(x^4-2) sage: L1. = NumberField(x^2-2, embedding = r4**2) sage: L2. = NumberField(x^2-2, embedding = -r4**2) sage: from sage.categories.pushout import pushout sage: pushout(L1,L2) Number Field in r4 with defin

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread Simon King
Hi John, On 25 Nov., 12:45, John Cremona wrote: > I think I am out of my depth already, but I just wanted to make sure > that you knew of the composite_fields() method for number fields.  In > Luis's example,  you can do all of L1.composite_fields(K), > L2.composite_fields(K), K.composite_fields(

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread John Cremona
I think I am out of my depth already, but I just wanted to make sure that you knew of the composite_fields() method for number fields. In Luis's example, you can do all of L1.composite_fields(K), L2.composite_fields(K), K.composite_fields(L1), K.composite_fields(L2), in each case it reurns a list

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread Simon King
Hi Luis, On 25 Nov., 11:45, luisfe wrote: > As long as you construct L1 with a specified embedding to K, from a > user point of view you are stating "I am working on this subfield L1 > of K, but I want a subfield representation in terms of powers of > r2_1". In that sense yes, K would be canónica

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread luisfe
On Nov 25, 11:27 am, Simon King wrote: > Hi Luis! > > On 25 Nov., 10:34, luisfe wrote: > > > Suppose the following: > > > sage: K. = NumberField(x^4-2) > > sage: L1. = NumberField(x^2-2, embedding = r4**2) > > sage: L2. = NumberField(x^2-2, embedding = -r4**2) > > sage: K.has_coerce_map_from(L1)

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread Simon King
Hi Luis! On 25 Nov., 10:34, luisfe wrote: > Suppose the following: > > sage: K. = NumberField(x^4-2) > sage: L1. = NumberField(x^2-2, embedding = r4**2) > sage: L2. = NumberField(x^2-2, embedding = -r4**2) > sage: K.has_coerce_map_from(L1) > True > sage: K.has_coerce_map_from(L2) > True > sage: L

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread Simon King
Hi John! On 25 Nov., 10:30, John Cremona wrote: > Surely a number field + embedding is a richer structure than an > abstract number field, so the coercion should go from the former to > the latter as a forgetful functor. To the contrary, it seems to me that a coercion should go from the poorer s

[sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread luisfe
On Nov 24, 10:34 pm, Simon King wrote: > Hi! > > When defining a number field, it is optional to provide a canonical > embedding into the real lazy field. > > If two number fields are defined by the same polynomial and the same > generator name, they are still considered different, if only one of

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Number fields with and without a given embedding

2010-11-25 Thread John Cremona
Despite my earlier comment I am not proposing automatic coercion between isomorphic number fields since there is (often, not always!) more than one isomorphism. Surely a number field + embedding is a richer structure than an abstract number field, so the coercion should go from the former to the l

[sage-devel] Re: NEW: Sage Windows installer.exe (577 MB): it's a 1-click install !!!

2010-11-25 Thread emil
Hello RegB, thank you for testing! On Nov 25, 5:05 am, RegB <2regburg...@earthlink.net> wrote: > The .exe version appeared to install and detect my grub loader, which > I was told to edit a file for.  I was "paperless" at the time, so > didn't write > anything down.  I wasn't remembering the sp

Re: [sage-devel] CompositConstructionFunctor [sic]

2010-11-25 Thread John Cremona
It's at #10318 with a positive review already! John On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > That's a typo (almost certainly mine) and should be changed. Thanks. > > On Nov 24, 2010 3:17 AM, "John Cremona" wrote: > > In reviewing #8807 I spotted what looked like a typo: > "Com