[sage-devel] Re: Debian package...

2010-03-06 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
On 7 bře, 01:05, William Stein wrote: > > It's not clear if it is PITA or not.  As far as I can tell, nobody > lifted a finger to work on the Debian/Ubuntu packaging of Sage during > the last 6 months (or more).  Nobody is working on it. > Just some ideas. I wonder if the following is possible R

Re: [sage-devel] pexpect: to upgrade or not to upgrade?

2010-03-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mar 6, 2010, at 9:22 PM, William Stein wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Mar 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Franco Saliola wrote: I recently stumbled over a bug in the pexpect module shipped with Sage. It turns out that specifying the full path to a command doesn't

Re: [sage-devel] pexpect: to upgrade or not to upgrade?

2010-03-06 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Mar 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Franco Saliola wrote: > >> I recently stumbled over a bug in the pexpect module shipped with >> Sage. It turns out that specifying the full path to a command doesn't >> work; you get an UnboundLocalError exception

[sage-devel] Re: Vote on bugs to be fixed for sage-4.4 "stabilization release".

2010-03-06 Thread John H Palmieri
On Mar 6, 7:58 pm, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: [snip] > A 30-second skim through the list gives me the impression that there   > are probably 3 or 4 issues total that are causing all of these   > failures. Of course I could be wrong, and who knows

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Debian package...

2010-03-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mar 6, 2010, at 3:51 PM, memilanuk wrote: Hello, Another vote here for getting an old and/or broken version *out* of Debian unstable/experimental. Seems kind of ridiculous to have a version that old in what is commonly viewed as the 'cutting edge' branch. Just tossing out ideas here... if

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Vote on bugs to be fixed for sage-4.4 "stabilization release".

2010-03-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: William Stein wrote: Hi, Thanks everybody for all the discussion of sage-5.0 goals. I've made a new sage-5.0 milestone http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/milestone/sage-5.0 and I've made a list of our goals. I set the release goal da

Re: [sage-devel] Is there going to be a sage-4.4 stabilisation release ?

2010-03-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I thought there was going to be a 4.4 stabilisation release, but if I create a new trac ticket, I'm given the milestone options are 4.3.4 and 4.5 - there is no 4.4 choice. IMHO, it would be good if the stabilisation release did go ahead,

Re: [sage-devel] pexpect: to upgrade or not to upgrade?

2010-03-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mar 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Franco Saliola wrote: I recently stumbled over a bug in the pexpect module shipped with Sage. It turns out that specifying the full path to a command doesn't work; you get an UnboundLocalError exception. I've created a ticket with an example: http://trac.sagemath.

[sage-devel] pexpect: to upgrade or not to upgrade?

2010-03-06 Thread Franco Saliola
I recently stumbled over a bug in the pexpect module shipped with Sage. It turns out that specifying the full path to a command doesn't work; you get an UnboundLocalError exception. I've created a ticket with an example: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8471 The question is, do we pa

[sage-devel] Is there going to be a sage-4.4 stabilisation release ?

2010-03-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
I thought there was going to be a 4.4 stabilisation release, but if I create a new trac ticket, I'm given the milestone options are 4.3.4 and 4.5 - there is no 4.4 choice. IMHO, it would be good if the stabilisation release did go ahead, and *only* bug-fixes were permitted. i.e. no new code to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Vote on bugs to be fixed for sage-4.4 "stabilization release".

2010-03-06 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > William Stein wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Thanks everybody for all the discussion of sage-5.0 goals.   I've made >> a new sage-5.0 milestone >> >>    http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/milestone/sage-5.0 >> >> and I've made a list of our goals.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Vote on bugs to be fixed for sage-4.4 "stabilization release".

2010-03-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: Hi, Thanks everybody for all the discussion of sage-5.0 goals. I've made a new sage-5.0 milestone http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/milestone/sage-5.0 and I've made a list of our goals. I set the release goal date at June 1, 2010, which gives us a full 3 months to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Debian package...

2010-03-06 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 3:51 PM, memilanuk wrote: > Hello, > > Another vote here for getting an old and/or broken version *out* of > Debian unstable/experimental.  Seems kind of ridiculous to have a > version that old in what is commonly viewed as the 'cutting edge' > branch. > > Just tossing out i

[sage-devel] Re: Debian package...

2010-03-06 Thread memilanuk
Hello, Another vote here for getting an old and/or broken version *out* of Debian unstable/experimental. Seems kind of ridiculous to have a version that old in what is commonly viewed as the 'cutting edge' branch. Just tossing out ideas here... if its too much of a PITA to keep sage meshed with

Re: [sage-devel] Sanity check on objects, parents and elements

2010-03-06 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:46:15PM +0100, Florent hivert wrote: > > Quick question: many types have methods one_element() and > > zero_element() which are used a lot. For example, ZZ.one() and > > ZZ.zero() are aliases for ZZ.one_element() and ZZ.zero_element(). Is > > your intention to depreca

[sage-devel] Tickets that can be closed.

2010-03-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
I made a boo-boo and opened two tickets on the same topic. #8461 can be closed as a duplicate of #8462. I know one would generally close the later ticket, but I've already put a patch on the second ticket, showing the results etc. It would seem more sensible to close #8461. Since #8408 has be

[sage-devel] Re: Doc tests with no justification for the result.

2010-03-06 Thread Jason Grout
On 03/05/2010 11:16 PM, Pat LeSmithe wrote: As Jason said, the docstrings do indicate what model (simple, for now) we're using to transform colors. We mention in several places in colors.py docstrings that we reduce R, G, and B components modulo one. But we could be more explicit. Anyway, we co

Re: [sage-devel] Doc tests with no justification for the result.

2010-03-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Robert Bradshaw wrote: I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here--it's fairly obvious in both the code and documentation that we're looking at RGB triples here. The last couple of bits are off, but they clearly don't matter (until we have 150-bit color output, though one would ha

[sage-devel] Re: Debian package...

2010-03-06 Thread Ben Goodrich
On Mar 6, 3:37 pm, "ma...@mendelu.cz" wrote: > I think, it does not have too much sense to have Debian package. It > would be better to put compiled Debian binaries to sagemath.org > download page. > > Cheers, > > Robert Marik I agree that compiling sage is not too difficult, and I actually use o

[sage-devel] Re: Debian package...

2010-03-06 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
On 4 bře, 18:03, Florent Hivert wrote: >       Hi there, > > Disclaimer: I'm not a debian user and my intend is not to launch a flame nor > to disregard the hard work that has been done to have a sage debian package. > Hi all, I have three machines on Debian (notebook, PC, server). Compilation

[sage-devel] Massive numerical errors on sagenb-0.7.5.1-py2.6.egg/sagenb/notebook/interact.py

2010-03-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Running the doctests on Solaris against 4.3.4.alpha0 I see this: Expected: Interact color selector labeled None, with default RGB color (0.5, 0.0, 1.0), widget 'colorpicker', and visible input box Got: Interact color selector labeled None, with default RGB color (0.50196078431372548,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Vote on bugs to be fixed for sage-4.4 "stabilization release".

2010-03-06 Thread William Stein
Hi, Thanks everybody for all the discussion of sage-5.0 goals. I've made a new sage-5.0 milestone http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/milestone/sage-5.0 and I've made a list of our goals. I set the release goal date at June 1, 2010, which gives us a full 3 months to meet the given goals.

[sage-devel] sage widgets

2010-03-06 Thread Oscar Gerardo Lazo Arjona
It would be great if sage could have widgets like the ones wolphram alpha has: http://www.wolframalpha.com/downloads.html I particularly like the one in: http://phisycsandgnulinux.site11.com/ (I take this chance to invite you to my new website, if you know spanish...) thank you! Oscar -- T

[sage-devel] Re: Debian package...

2010-03-06 Thread Ben Goodrich
On Mar 6, 9:59 am, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > well, this is trickier than you think. > E.g. Python 2.6 has not made it into Debian stable yet. > And installing Python 2.6 on Debian stable using the standard Debian > source package > installation mechanisms does not work. > Python is needed for functi

[sage-devel] Re: Lie Methods and Related Combinatorics

2010-03-06 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Minh, I wonder how one can contribute changes/patches to files in sage/doc/ en/constructions It's also not always clear who wrote what there, and thus seems hard to discuss possible improvements with authors. Thanks, Dima On Mar 6, 1:08 am, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Hi Dan, > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 a

[sage-devel] Re: Doc tests with no justification for the result.

2010-03-06 Thread Nils Bruin
On Mar 6, 1:49 am, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > We're talking about adding and scaling colors here--there arguably   > isn't a "right" answer here, though we do want what we do to be good   > and consistent, and it is documented what it does. That is probably true, but surprisingly, there are "wrong

[sage-devel] Re: computational logic @ sagemath

2010-03-06 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Mar 6, 2:57 am, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Hi Uli > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:33 AM, kuli wrote: > > > > > Secondly, I want to ask you, if it would make sense (I think it makes) > > to develop a computational logic module for sage math. I'm thinking of > > tools for logic > > > -> CNF/DNF conver

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Memory leak

2010-03-06 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
Em 6 de março de 2010 13:29, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade escreveu: > 2010/3/6 Robert Bradshaw : >> On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: >> >>> Hi Dima, >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: if it's PARI-dependent, it makes sense to upgrade PARI to th

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Memory leak

2010-03-06 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2010/3/6 Robert Bradshaw : > On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > >> Hi Dima, >> >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >>> >>> if it's PARI-dependent, it makes sense to upgrade PARI to the latest >>> version. >> >> Perhaps upgrading Pari could be a goal for Sage 5.0?

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Doc tests with no justification for the result.

2010-03-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Pat LeSmithe wrote: As Jason said, the docstrings do indicate what model (simple, for now) we're using to transform colors. We mention in several places in colors.py docstrings that we reduce R, G, and B components modulo one. But we could be more explicit. Anyway, we could make it possible to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Vote on bugs to be fixed for sage-4.4 "stabilization release".

2010-03-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Nick Alexander wrote: David is trying to argue that the goals for Sage-5.0 should be * Official Solaris 10 support (all tests pass) TARGET DATE: Sometime in March? *instead* of the following: * 90% doctest coverage score (=write about

[sage-devel] Re: Debian package...

2010-03-06 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Mar 6, 7:27 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > Kasper Peeters wrote: > > Has anyone considered emailing the official maintainer > > >   Tim Abbott > > > and ask him whether he would be interested in handing over > > maintainership to someone with more time to bring the debian package > > up to

[sage-devel] Re: Debian package...

2010-03-06 Thread Kasper Peeters
> The maintainers logic is clear they don't want to duplicate stuff. I can > appreciate that. I suggest we approach them, saying we understand this, and > that > in general it would be silly to include everything. If we then produce a long > list of packages which have needed to be patched, then i

Re: [sage-devel] Doc tests with no justification for the result.

2010-03-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mar 5, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I just got a doc test failure on Solaris. File "/export/home/drkirkby/32/sage-4.3.4.alpha0/devel/sage/sage/ plot/colors.py", line 660: sage: gold / pi + yellow * e Expected: RGB color (0.51829585732141792, 0.49333037605210095, 0.0) G

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Vote on bugs to be fixed for sage-4.4 "stabilization release".

2010-03-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:23 AM, Simon King wrote: Hi Robert! On Mar 5, 12:42 am, Robert Bradshaw wrote: [...] As soon as anything is done with the object, it does a *real* import, replaces itself in G with the real thing, and since the reference from G is gone, the LazyImport object would eventu

[sage-devel] Re: Debian package...

2010-03-06 Thread Pierre
I've heard that sage 3.4 was going to be something of an LTS, a "stable" release. If so, it would be brilliant to include this one with ubuntu, and then not produce another ubuntu package before the next LTS. The custom with such repositories, even more so with debian, is certainly not to get the l

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Memory leak

2010-03-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: Hi Dima, On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: if it's PARI-dependent, it makes sense to upgrade PARI to the latest version. Perhaps upgrading Pari could be a goal for Sage 5.0? It is: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/wiki