Hi,
Thanks everybody for all the discussion of sage-5.0 goals. I've made
a new sage-5.0 milestone
http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/milestone/sage-5.0
and I've made a list of our goals. I set the release goal date at
June 1, 2010, which gives us a full 3 months to meet the given goals.
--William
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Robert Bradshaw
<rober...@math.washington.edu> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
>
>> Nick Alexander wrote:
>>>>
>>>> David is trying to argue that the goals for Sage-5.0 should be
>>>>
>>>> * Official Solaris 10 support (all tests pass)
>>>>
>>>> TARGET DATE: Sometime in March?
>>>>
>>>> *instead* of the following:
>>>>
>>>> * 90% doctest coverage score (=write about 1500 doctests)
>>>> * Official Solaris 10 support (all tests pass)
>>>> * Official Cygwin support (all tests pass)
>>>> * Close _all_ tickets listed at
>>>> http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/wiki/stab1
>>>>
>>>> TARGET DATE: Sometime in May.
>>>
>>> I vote -1 to this. As a user, I expect a major release (defined as a
>>> version number bump) to include exciting new toys. Solaris support does not
>>> *in my opinion* qualify as an exciting new toy. I anticipate a Slashdot
>>> story announcing the new release, followed by a surge of interest and
>>> downloads. It is *my opinion* that Solaris support is not an exciting new
>>> feature that the resulting publicity should be promoting. If anything, it
>>> is *my opinion* that Cygwin support is much more likely to appeal to these
>>> potential new users, and would warrant the publicity.
>>> Nick
>>> PS. Emphasis added because I do not want to fan any flames -- please
>>> respond accordingly.
>>
>> Part of my logic for this is that given Sun have
>>
>> * Donated hardware (t2) worth around $30,000 - $40,000 for this,
>> * Have supplied other hardware heavily discounted. (sage.math and most of
>> the disks are I believe Suns)
>> * Are asking William for a release where they can point customers at,
>>
>> then those that supplied a lot of money probably do consider it quite
>> important. You personally might not, but a major investor does.
>>
>> If Sun (now Oracle) did not consider it important, I doubt they would have
>> supplied the hardware, and I doubt they would be asking William questions
>> about the Solaris port.
>
> Don't get me wrong, some people will be very excited about the Solaris port.
> However, I bet at least 90% of users couldn't care less. If release numbers
> have anything to do with marketing, making this the only goal is not a good
> idea.
>
>> The only person paid full time to work on Sage was paid to do the Solaris
>> port.
>
> That is a gross simplification of the history here.
>
>> A lot of time, effort and money has gone into it.
>
> The same could be said about many, many components of Sage.
>
>> I agree with you about Cygwin too.
>>
>> I also think reaching a specific level of doc tests is a bit irrelevant in
>> determining when to increment the major release number. Perhaps if the doc
>> tests reached 100%, then I might agree.
>
> These are all goals for 5.0, not necessarily what's going to be new in 5.0.
> I agree that 90% doctest coverage is not something that *makes* a release,
> but it's a good thing to shoot for by a certain point in time. And if (when)
> any of the above goals are accomplished early (and I expect some of them to
> be so, including Solaris) we're not going to be holding them out of the 4.x
> series.
>
>> I think with the very fast release cycle of Sage, no one release is likely
>> to have many exciting new toys.
>
> Isn't it great--we get new, shiny toys all year round :)
>
> - Robert
>
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