Doing some research, I see there’s an outstanding patch for Sami Farin’s
fsync() feature:
https://git.samba.org/?p=rsync-patches.git;a=blob_plain;f=fsync.diff;hb=HEAD
Is there any intention to migrate this patch into master?
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source host: Red Hat 3.4.6-8
destination host: Red Hat 3.4.6-2
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and everything worked fine.
ls -l /dev/urandom
crw-r--r-- 1 root
system 33, 1 Jul 21 10:49 /dev/urandom
We had established a security-hardened
umask of 077, which had odd results here and there, especially after o/s
upgrades.
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Jim Taylor
Information
I ended up installing a newer version of GNU gcc and this time it worked.
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ng to do with the LARGE_FILE issue I see referred to in
the archives where it says to add a define statement to the config.h?
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Greetings,
My name is Jim Kennedy, and I am writing you this email from my home
here in Staten Island, NY.
The reason for this email is that you and I share something in common...
At some point in our lives we contemplated or tried to start a home
business. Don't worry; I'm not tryin
My belief is that rsync over ssh is tickling a deadlock
race condition in cygwin.
See this message and trace it backwards for more context:
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-patches/2005-q1/msg00015.html
I have recently re-volunteered to the author to help out getting his
patches tested but have heard n
x.xml
It sets environment variables to connect with a
named pipe for ssh-agent. With authentication
chaining, you can run remote commands that pass
authentication back to your login computer.
Just put the public part of your key into
~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on all of the machines
you want to use.
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rsync-2.6.3 can fail to report a write error.
Here's a demonstration, writing to a full partition:
You can reproduce it like this:
$ echo foo > in
$ strace -f -o log rsync in /full/tmp
The permission problem may be related to the setting of the CYGWIN environment
variable. This variable may contain several options, but the one you should take a
look at is ntsec/nontsec. If CYGWIN=ntsec, then the cygwin DLL tries to emulate
POSIX permissions using NT ACLs. It works too good, or
Right. This is the command that hangs for a local sync:
rsync -Pvvvtr --delete /cygdrive/f/ /cygdrive/e
It hangs at different places, sometimes during the file list generation,
sometimes during the copying. It's very similar to what I saw doing
remote syncing. I double checked that file contents
Thanks for the suggestions for different tunneling tools. This really only helps with
half
my problem- I need to sync local dirs, too. I'm guessing that this is really a cygwin
problem
in select(), but I'm not a good enough programmer to dig into it. I've got a local guru
looking at it, but I th
eads
seem to have any stack frames showing calls from rsync code. I think the backtrace
I sent to the mailing list was the same way. What am I doing wrong? Also, why
does the rsync process have four threads? Do these threads get started before main
is called?
Thanks,
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rsync 2.6.2 crash)
> Sent: 05 Oct 2004 10:06:15
>
> On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 07:07:17AM -0700, jim wrote:
> > Can you explain to me the relationship between the parent rsync
> > process and it's children?
>
> Rsync has a separate process for each m
t use a
single
process?
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Here are strace outputs of a hung session, 2.6.3 on both ends (server, client process
1, client process 2):
$ strace -t -p 4040
Attached to pid 4040 (windows pid 2488)
14:04:47 [unknown (0x938)] rsync 4040 _cygtls::remove: wait 0x0
14:05:17 [main] rsync 4040 select_stuff::wait: timed out
14:05:17
of the ordinary
is that they
are big, about 30GB and 200,000 files.
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DLL
#2 0x7c578f0d in WaitForMultipleObjects () from
/cygdrive/c/WINNT/system32/KERNEL32.DLL
#3 0x0022e1c8 in ?? ()
#4 0x0001 in ?? ()
(gdb)
I still have the processes in the debuggers, so let me know if there is something you
want me to check.
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ash)
> Sent: 29 Sep 2004 10:20:11
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 10:08:16AM -0700, jim wrote:
> > Do you have a gut feeling as to where I should look first, or what the
> > issue might be? Do you suspect rsync or ssh as the likely culprit?
>
> It
Do you have a gut feeling as to where I should look first, or what the
issue might be? Do you suspect rsync or ssh as the likely culprit?
>Yes, others have experienced hangs when using rsync over ssh under
>cygwin. If possible, stick with the rsync daemon protocol for cygwin
>transfers and it sh
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> Subject: Re: rsync 2.6.2 hang (was rsync 2.6.2 crash)
> Sent: 28 Sep 2004 21:13:47
>
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, jim wrote:
>
> > OK, I set up a new PC with a fresh XP load to be my rsy
rts and it gets
through
maybe a few hundred files, but then everything stops. All the processes are still
there,
but all logging stops and CPU utilization by the rsync and ssh processes go to zero.
Any thoughts?
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&
unning as the server, reading from a PGPDisk volume
that is mounted on the VPC host, and the PGPDisk is on an external USB drive. I will
report back as to whether or not the problems disappear after removing the VPC, USB
and PGPDisk layers.
Thanks,
Jim
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CONTROL/17Bxx - , xXxxx-x
xx/Drawing Sheet 17B1N5001 B(2.2).cal" (in MPDM) failed: Not a directory
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> Subject: Re: rsync 2.6.2 crash
> Sent: 24 Sep 2004 12:33:58
>
> 2.
2.5.7 died the same way. Maybe the bug is in cygwin1.dll? I'm using 1005.11.0.0.
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> Subject: Re: Re: Re: rsync 2.6.2 crash
> Sent: 24 Sep 2004 12:22:17
>
> I tried 2.6.3pre2 on the serv
I tried 2.6.3pre2 on the server side, and it failed the same way. Is there a way to
build it so the stack dump has function names?
I will try the 2.5.x series to see if the problem is absent.
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> Subject: R
4 at 11:09:26AM -0700, jim wrote:
> > The server crashed, but left rsync.exe.stackdump:
>
> A stackdump would be useful if it would give function names and line
> numbers. Without that, it doesn't give me anything I can use to figure
> out where it crashed.
ized_keys to:
command="/usr/bin/strace -o/tmp/rsync-strace.out -f /usr/bin/rsync --server --daemon
."
The server doesn't crash; instead, it just hangs somewhere in the middle of copying
the data, which is further along then without strace. I can provide the strace output
if that would
ized_keys to:
command="/usr/bin/strace -o/tmp/rsync-strace.out -f /usr/bin/rsync --server --daemon
."
The server doesn't crash; instead, it just hangs somewhere in the middle of copying
the data, which is further along then without strace. I can provide the strace output
if that would
OK, now I see. I did not notice the --rsh param is not the exact command that would invoke ssh by itself. Thanks for your help.
>On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 11:51:00AM -0700, jim wrote:
>> notice that the command not found complains about the uppercase MPDM-W2K3
>
>That's becau
eanup(code=12, file=/home/lapo/package/tmp/rsync-2.6.2/io.c, line=342):
about to call exit(12)
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nc-2.6.2/main.c(1048)
_exit_cleanup(code=23, file=/home/lapo/package/tmp/rsync-2.6.2/main.c,
line=1048 ): about to call exit(23)
So, what's going on here? Am I missing something in the docs, is something
wrong in the docs or is this a bug?
Thanks,
Jim Gallagher
Cypress, CA
Hi,
I'm tryin
, file=/home/lapo/package/tmp/rsync-2.6.2/main.c, line=1048
): about to call exit(23)
So, what's going on here? Am I missing something in the docs, is something wrong in the docs or is this a bug?
Thanks,
Jim Gallagher
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ne myself with confidence, it would be very helpful indeed.
... I would also humbly suggest STANDARDIZING rsync error outputs in a
future version, so that perhaps they all begain with "rsync error: " or
some other easily identifiable string. Right now they're, well, all
over the pl
skips the file, and moves on to the next one in queue.
HTH.
Jim Salter
JRS Systems
I didn't see this answered in the FAQ, and it's important to one of my
application owners.
How does RSYNC handle open or write in process files?
Thank you!
J
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CONFIDE
Damn, I hate to hear that. Here's to JW's memory, he is missed.
Thanks for letting us know, Wayne.
-J
I was saddened to learn today that JW Schultz was found dead back on
March 27th of this year. JW was a big help in the recent development of
rsync and I sorely missed his presence during the last
and then do the
rsync but this system has to much data to do that. Here is the command I am
using:
rsync -e rsh --rsync-path=/usr/local/bin/rsync -varPpgot /usr/pdx/
rxhostDR:/usr/pdx
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim Naylor
Unix Systems Administrator
Schnuck Markets, Inc
ion:
[etc]
path = /etc
comment = system config files
or if you prefer to give any random rsync user access to everything on
the entire server (NOT recommended, particularly if you do not set
read-only or auth users / secrets):
[root]
path = /
comment = hope you know what you're doing
Hope
the rsync output until rsync is
completely done, you can just use backticks:
$rsync_output = `/usr/bin/rsync -avz /foo bar::baz`;
### parse $rsync_output here - you may want to use split to turn the
string into a list, however
print $rsync_output;
Jim Salter
JRS Systems
When RSYNC runs in -v mod
We *CANNOT* help you without seeing the actual command line you're using
to try to run rsync with.
Hello everybody,
We have to servers which we syncronize with rsync. After updating the second
server to RedHat Enterprise Linux, rsync pops up with the message:
connection reset by peer, err
You need to create an rsyncd.conf file that specifies uid root, and call
rsync with that conf file when you start the daemon. Otherwise the
daemon spawns processes as nobody by default, and "nobody" can't write
files as other users. Check man rsyncd.conf for details.
Jim Salte
n" as what got written *to the hard drive*
rather than what got sent over the pipe.
Jim Salter
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tion is to see fewer files
transferred than total files in the fileset and say "hey, why am I
missing several thousand?"
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make rsync more memory-friendly when the
size of the job exceeds the resources available, by causing it to do the
exact same thing as the wrapper described above does, but I'm not going
to kvetch.)
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Hi, folks.
We've gone where no man has gone before. On HP-UX,
h would be an improvement
to the rsync bwlimit feature.
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Slight clarification:
When I said "latest version" of rsync, I did NOT mean the latest binary
packaged with cygwin, I meant the latest source version, which you can
compile yourself under cygwin (if you've installed gcc, ming, and make)
or you can use the pre-compiled binaries now available at
Which version of rsync, AND which version of Cygwin, that you run is
VERY crucial. Rsync itself wasn't actually the source of the "hang"
bugs under Cygwin, the cygwin1.dll file was, from my understanding.
Either way, if you upgrade both Cygwin and Rsync to the latest versions,
your problem sho
roken pipe errors, and attempts to create directories like
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]::backup/backup" on the server doing the rsyncing's own
filesystem.
If anybody's ever tried doing this kind of thing, your experience would
be very helpful.
Thanks!
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ustin Banks for letting me know he was getting through okay,
so I knew what direction to look.
-J
Jim Salter wrote:
Has anybody else noticed cygwin.com and sources.redhat.com being down?
The machine that answers to those addresses (and sourceware.org) is
refusing HTTP connections, and has been for at
Has anybody else noticed cygwin.com and sources.redhat.com being down?
The machine that answers to those addresses (and sourceware.org) is
refusing HTTP connections, and has been for at least 48 hours now.
Anybody here know anything about it? I haven't been able to find out
diddly-squat about
BINGO. Unintended interpolation of the "@localhost" as an array instead
of as a literal string. Thanks Brian!
Jim Salter
JRS Systems
> Brian Cross wrote:
>
Jim,
No idea's off hand, but set the -w debug option at the top of the script
and see if it gives you more info
te my rsync tasks - but
that's a pretty ugly hack. I'm hoping somebody's got a simpler answer
for what's getting b0rk3d...
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expected in my Perl script too.
I'm only having the odd problem shown when using daemon mode in my Perl
wrapper. The system being used is running FreeBSD 5.1, and I have the
problem when running either rsync 2.6.0 from FreeBSD's ports tree or
2.6.2 downloaded straight from the rsy
I compiled and installed rsync 2.6.2 from source (the site's download
page) today, under Cygwin 1.5.9-1 / Windows 2000 Professional SP4.
Initial testing shows that it operates properly and smoothly, and that
Wayne's bugfix for the daemon mode / --backup problem I reported earlier
did the trick.
Heh... think people are googling, finding that, and "replying through
the website" at somewhere that has a web form for posting to the list?
Makes... sense... I guess.
Sigh. I don't know how some people *survive*...
Does anybody have any idea why people needing help with Electronic Arts
gam
t are to begin with. But I can't help wondering how the heck
those wires got crossed, and where. =)
fishing for email addresses? Blasting questions to any and all lists in
hope someone will help?
TMC
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 04:48:01PM -0400, Jim Salter wrote:
Does anybody have any idea
Does anybody have any idea why people needing help with Electronic Arts
games keep finding the rsync list? I've seen five or six of these since
I've been on the list, and it's *always* somebody with an EA game in
particular...
Things that make you go "h."
Jim
This is a test message - my apologies for it, but everything I send is
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d after remote login when i give "which rsync" ; i get the following output
/usr/local/bin/rsync.
Jim Salter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Clearly, if you can't execute the "which" command remotely, rsh is _not_
working "perfectly fine." If you can
You're using the -a flag, which among other things means rsync will try
to preserve ownership. If your PDA is running linux, most likely the
UID it's using for ownership of the files you're transferring matches
the UID of your "Lefty" account on your PC.
Jim Salter
JR
s, and get back with us - that means all the
crontabs, everything in init.d / rc.d or whatever your OS uses,
/etc/periodic if applicable, the AT queue, inetd, the whole nine. I
sincerely doubt that rsync itself is randomly firing off instances of
itself without being asked to.
Jim Salter
JRS
er and see if you get the same error.
Jim Salter
JRS Systems
Hello,
I'm desperately trying to have a RSync server work on a Windows 2003
Standard Server.
All the documentation available I have found applies to Windows NT/2000/XP
I don't know whether 2003 works differently from the prev
Try cwrsync at http://www.itefix.no/cwrsync/ and see if you have better
luck. Older cygwin DLLs had some network issues that rsync exposed, but
in my experience installing cwrsync will fix the problem entirely.
Jim Salter
JRS Systems
I have a problem with rsync 2.6 protocol 27 (both client and
Wouldn't it be easier just to create a softlink on the cygwin machine so
that you could access C: from /c ?
Or for that matter, if these are easily-confused Windows users, just
begin the Samba (or other SMB) share south of the cygwin/ on the rsync
machine?
Here's another feature I'd like to ha
4-14
tree in its entirety before proceeding to the actual rsync'ing.
In actual point of fact, my preening is triggered by drive capacity and
usage levels, not age of archives, and once triggered it eliminates
archives from older to newer until usage is back down to a desired
percentage - but yo
ss that account. If you can't ssh to [EMAIL PROTECTED] without a
password, rsync won't be able to access it (using SSH transport) either
- so you'll need to either publish keys and get SSH working properly, or
set up an rsync daemon and use its transport instead.
Jim Salter
JRS S
a topic for the
SSH list.) On the other hand, if you're using rsync without the SSH
transport, in daemon mode, your OS may not know natively what "rsync"
means, in which case you'd have to specify the actual port number (873)
directly.
Jim Salter
JRS Systems
Hy,
I would l
That *was* seriously impressive. Thanks Wayne. =)
Steve W. Ingram wrote:
50 minutes for investigation *and* a patch!?
Holy cow!
Yeah, Mr Gates, that's the advantage of companies
like yours; the support of your software. I mean, you
just don't know where to get support on free software
and wh
So, just to clarify - this is a bug that needs fixing only on the server
side, not the client side, correct? (Important to me because I'd just
as druther not have to compile the cygwin side of the house if I don't
have to.)
On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 06:13:31PM -0400, Jim Salter w
e other end is
a FreeBSD 5.1 machine running rsync 2.6.0 from the ports tree.
Thanks ...
Jim Salter
JRS Systems
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I'd still prefer to see something like a --total-progress option that
displayed the percentage of the total synchronization that had been
completed, rather than the percentage of progress of the current file.
In the occasions where I'm hovering impatiently over an rsync waiting
for it to finish
ht also be planning on moving lots of users' files, which a
non-root account might not be able to access in the directories on the
remote end.
Jim Salter
JRS Systems
Brian Chase wrote:
I'm not the command line guru, but it is my understanding that if you've
got rsyncd running a
You can use the --rsh="/path/to/command/here" argument in conjunction
with a simple shell script wrapper that calls rsync using sudo.
Jim Salter
JRS Systems
Paul Galbraith wrote:
Is it possible to configure rsync in server mode, to gain access to root
protected files, without the user
irror whether or not it started out with one.
Jim Salter
But isn't building this exact file list what an ordinary call to rsync
is supposed to do (when not forcing checksum calculation)? So why is
rsync so much slower than find?
/Greger
Tim Conway wrote:
Good idea
find / -ctime -1h |rsync
th/to/stuff means "access /path/to/stuff on the local machine"
Hope that helps.
Jim Salter
Just installed cwrsync 1.2.1 and I am getting this:
C:\cwrsync>rsync -n -v -r /cygdrive/c/robj/pickmeup
speedball3:/cygdrive/d/robj/pickmeup
Failed to exec ssh : No such file or directory
r
But why would you want to use rsync if you've already built your file
list? Seems kinda pointless... I mean if it got touched, you definitely
want to copy it, so, yeah. =)
Jim Salter
Good idea
find / -ctime -1h |rsync -a --files-from=- / destination
No perl needed. You might want
downtime
around 1AM to catch anything my "bounces" missed (like deleting files).
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"Threw a mental" is extremely unhelpful. What was it writing to the
logfile?
Jason Ferguson wrote:
I have the following as a line in a script kicked off from cron:
sudo rsync -e ssh -avz /Times_QPS/ 192.168.22.72:/Times_QPS/ --eahfs
It logs the output to a log file, however rsync caused the
t, AF_INET, 0,
0 },
{0, '6', POPT_ARG_VAL,&default_af_hint, AF_INET6,
0, 0 },
#endif
+ {"setgid_dirs", 0, POPT_ARG_NONE, &setgid_dirs, 0, 0, 0 },
{0,0,0,0, 0, 0, 0}
};
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Tim Conway wrote:
for source in source1 source2 source3
do
rsync -options $source destination:$source &
done
wait
adapt as needed.
That will WORK, of course, but it does require that you do a file list
build and compare for each of the above, instead of doing a sin
It's a windows timestamp inaccuracy issue - check the manpages for info
on timestamp windows as a workaround.
-J
Each time I run rsync it copies the same files even though I haven't
made any changes. I doesn't copy all the files each time, just the same
ones each time I run the command. I run
ions (quite properly)
do not allow direct remote root login over ssh.
-J
Hi Jim,
Thanks for your reply.
Read the man rsync...even printed itbut well it looks a lot like shorthand
to me.
Kindly some pointers if other howto or whatever excist. I did research as best
I could..butmaybe ...
There are many different ways to accomplish this. Are you wanting to
use rsync in daemon mode, or rsync over an ssh transport?
I hate to deliver the stock answer, but it sounds like you need to RTFM
a bit and then try us back if you still can't get it to work.
-J
Hi,
Have one workstation 192
Hmmm. It's odd to think that Cygwin always uses backup semantics,
because it DEFINITELY fails to process quite a lot of files that the
high-dollar win32-native backup utilities can process.
My experience has been that cygwin can open (for reading) any file that
you can use the GUI to drag-and-
Jason, this is absolutely great info on the Win32 file locking system
and sounds like a very very interesting patch indeed.
A quick question, though - how hard would it be to use backup semantics
as a default for an additional mount for the entire filesystem, rather
than trying to tack it into
::coughs::
Another way of phrasing that would be to say "If your OS prevents open
files from being accessed normally, you need to deal with that at the OS
level."
And in case you were wondering, yes, Windows is a "brain-damaged" OS in
that regard (and many others, but I digress). Under Window
Is there anything noticeably different, network-wise, about this RH box
from the others? Different network card, different subnet, etc? Can
your other *nix machines sync from this particular Win2K smb filesystem
fine? Can the problem child *nix box sync to your other *nix boxen fine?
I'm h
Max - what is the OS of the machine you're using to access the Win2K SMB
share from? I ask because the reference implementation of Samba - ie,
the ftp-alike smbclient - works just dandy under every OS I've looked
at, but the kernel implementation of smbfs under FreeBSD (and possibly
other BSDs
What are "mypc1" and "mypc2"? Can you successfully ssh into them? Can
you successfully ssh into them as user1 and user2? When you do ssh into
them as user1 and/or user2, can you cd into /myshare1/dir1 and
/myshare2/dir2 ?
You need to be very specific about what you're actually doing and what
directly. That would work around your issue effectively. You'll
want to use the path /cygdrive under Cygwin to access your mapped
drivespec. Something like this:
net use z: \\mypc1\myshare1
rsync -e ssh -av /cygdrive/z/dir1/* /cygdrive/z/dir2/
Hope that helps...
Jim Salter
Please help : St
espec. Something like this:
net use z: \\mypc1\myshare1
rsync -e ssh -av /cygdrive/z/dir1/* /cygdrive/z/dir2/
Hope that helps...
Jim Salter
Please help : Strange 'file has vanished' behaviour with rsync on windows.
I need to run rsync on windows and sync shares thru UNC names.
When I try :
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losed by a router. This is not an issue which
tends to be visible to the end-user with protocols like HTTP or FTP, but
can very definitely be an issue with SSH or rsync. Test: ssh across the
two servers. Do nothing for half an hour. Is the pipe still open?)
Jim Salter
Bryan Sauser wrote:
I c
None of this does us any good without, at a bare minimum, the command line
you're using to invoke rsync. You should also typically mention what OS is
being used on either end of the equation, and any details that aren't
immediately obvious about the network in between.
more details using -vvv
cript a little more sophisticated and make it check for the
presence of one of your own servers in the arguments passed by the user
before appending its --password-file argument to the list.
Jim Salter
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What kernel are you using, and if it's not at least 2.4.x, have you
considered simply trying a newer kernel?
Jim Salter jrssystems.net> writes:
IANALG (I Am Not A Linux Guy - FreeBSD is my *nix of choice), but could
this possibly be related to the mem:remap Linux kernel bug
IANALG (I Am Not A Linux Guy - FreeBSD is my *nix of choice), but could
this possibly be related to the mem:remap Linux kernel bug that was
recently discovered?
Jim Salter
Thanks Wayne,
This just may explain the behavior. I noticed that when I deleted the
files that were transferred the
Wouldn't this (accomplishing security restrictions without need to enter
a password, or to enter a password more than once) be a lot more easily
accomplished by simply using SSH transport and public/private keys
instead of using the daemon mode at all?
Jim Salter
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