Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-02 Thread Bill Brooks
Erika, The most correct answer (which is a really funny thing to say) is to use John Wiles' "5-step program"-that's what I call it. It is published in one of the appendices of his latest "Suggested Practices" document. If you can actually follow what he leads you through (that's why I call it t

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-02 Thread Bill Brooks
Erika, The most correct answer (which is a really funny thing to say) is to use John Wiles' "5-step program"-that's what I call it. It is published in one of the appendices of his latest "Suggested Practices" document. If you can actually follow what he leads you through (that's why I call it t

Re: [RE-wrenches] ground fault troubleshooting

2010-04-05 Thread Bill Brooks
Tom, Your dc clamp-on meter would have saved you from removing a conductor that had current on it. It is likely a lightning event caused the LA602 to do its job-thus the cracked case. The dc clamp-on meter would have shown the current flowing into the SOV and on to ground. Bill. From: r

Re: [RE-wrenches] 600VDC Safety Switch question

2010-04-12 Thread Bill Brooks
Allan, Square D makes 2-, 3-, and 4-pole models from 30 amps to 1200 amps that are 600Vdc rated. They have by far the most selection of any company at the moment. The 200-Amp and up versions must pass through two poles of the same switch. I'm using 3, 2-pole 600A units on 500 kW inverters at th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inter-row shading, additional information

2010-04-27 Thread Bill Brooks
William, In a series string, the one-cell shading in the long dimension will reduce the voltage of the string by 1/3 of one module. This is often a small amount of voltage since 12 or 13 modules are in string. In lower voltage systems, the loss will be much more pronounced. No shading is good

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solarex module match question

2010-04-28 Thread Bill Brooks
Allan, My beard is pretty gray these days, so I'll bite. Without getting deep into exactly where these modules have degraded to, I think your idea of adding the extra MSX77s is a good one, although it might be a little overkill. Since the customer has them, I would use them. The other issue

Re: [RE-wrenches] AEI Solaron Inverters - DC Grounded or Ungrounded

2010-05-03 Thread Bill Brooks
Matt, They claim to use a bi-polar array with 600Vdc per pole. All bipolar arrays must be grounded, so they must be grounded. They claim to be grounded through the ac service transformer while operating. They are fundamentally similar to many ungrounded designs. So, it IS grounded during operat

Re: [RE-wrenches] Two strings of Different Orientation

2010-05-20 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter, The issue is the same as it was last year. The operating voltage of each string will be nearly identical throughout the day if the strings are the same length and not shaded. Put them on a single inverter. The Fronius report was not discussing a special algorithm for dealing with this situ

Re: [RE-wrenches] Two strings of Different Orientation

2010-05-20 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter, Not to belabor the issue, but your understanding of the I-V curve and how it responds to changes in irradiance and temperature are flawed. I'm sorry you believe that I am misleading you, but the truth is that the I-V curve moves up and down with changing irradiance (current changes with irr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Two strings of Different Orientation

2010-05-22 Thread Bill Brooks
ubject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Two strings of Different Orientation Bill, I agree with everything you're saying, if you substitute "cell temperature" for "ambient temperature". See ya! Marv 707 763-4784 x7016 Bill Brooks wrote: Peter, Not to belabor the issue, but

Re: [RE-wrenches] Arc fault questions.

2010-06-01 Thread Bill Brooks
Tump, All I know is that AFCIs work off of the radio frequency signatures of arcs. If your inverter has a lot of high frequency noise, typical in off-grid inverters, it may be seeing this noise and thinking it is an arc. Marv Dargatz, may have something to add on this. Also, relays in your charge

Re: [RE-wrenches] Astopower 120 failure

2010-06-08 Thread Bill Brooks
Carl and David, Of course this means nothing related to the AstroPower warranty. The lawyers at GE Energy were very careful to wait until AstroPower was officially dead before they bought the Equipment to make modules from them. There is no warranty--even though they are materially identical to th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Real world PV production

2010-06-11 Thread Bill Brooks
n snowy locations. PVWatts does not account for really dusty and dirty air locations. Bill Brooks worked at PVUSA and is very knowledgeable about power loss from soiling from agricultural dust in central California. Bill also measured 35% power loss at the Long Beach CA harbor waste-to-ener

Re: [RE-wrenches] PVWatts Module Temperature Coefficient

2010-06-11 Thread Bill Brooks
Joel and All, PV:WATTS is just a very simple simulation. You can make simple corrections for temp coefficient if you like, but if you want better accuracy, you have to go to a more sophisticated program like PVSyst or PVSol. Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wre

Re: [RE-wrenches] electrical permit requirements

2010-06-15 Thread Bill Brooks
, but eventually the lead plan checker was asked to make a presentation to the trade group and the handiest document was our check list. It became adopted. Bill Brooks has worked on this issue and has resources. I suggest you start a dialog and then be quick and thorough on the follow up and yo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Need SP140 modules

2010-07-01 Thread Bill Brooks
Joel, I don't have your email. I just happen to have 13 Shell SP-140s. My email is billbroo...@sbcglobal.net. Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Joel Davidson Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2

Re: [RE-wrenches] Picking a Quality Chinese PV Module

2010-07-19 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter: Here is a slide from one of my PV courses. This is my priority list for module selection. The second item, qualification testing (IEC61215), is very important if it has truly been done by a NRTL. Many companies claim to have passed, but they performed the test themselves--invalidating the r

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating DC voltage drop

2010-07-22 Thread Bill Brooks
All, This is all very interesting, but on the dc side, it is primarily an issue of energy loss for large grid-connected systems. My rule is 2% voltage drop for dc side and 1% for ac side. When we talk about dc % voltage drop, most of what has been discussed in this thread is instantaneous

Re: [RE-wrenches] GEC sizing for a high amp, low voltage PV system with microinverters

2013-09-18 Thread Bill Brooks
Dave, Gary, and Charlie, First, the directions from the manufacturer should be the guide as to whether a GEC is required or not. Just because a GEC terminal is located on the equipment, does not mean that one is required. Case in point-Enphase's new IG product does not require a GEC, yet it has

Re: [RE-wrenches] GEC sizing for a high amp, low voltage PV system with microinverters

2013-09-18 Thread Bill Brooks
Nick, Thanks for the clarification-it is a mysterious threaded hole.. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Nick Soleil Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:19 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches]

Re: [RE-wrenches] Using legacy modules on micro-inverters

2013-09-27 Thread Bill Brooks
William, Here is what I would recommend. 1. Put pairs of SQ-150s in parallel on an M250. 2. Put PC4JFs as two in series by two in parallel on M250. 3. For leftovers-two PC4JFs in series are the same as one SQ-150 so mix and match to your heart's content. The issue

Re: [RE-wrenches] Using legacy modules on micro-inverters

2013-09-27 Thread Bill Brooks
William, Just to add one more thing. I said that the M215 does not match well, but if you have them on hand, they would still work. You will probably power limit in the spring and fall, but the rest of the year you will probably do fine. The M250 has a higher operating voltage for 72-cell arran

Re: [RE-wrenches] smaller 3-phase commercial inverters

2013-10-18 Thread Bill Brooks
Marco, Besides the good responses you have already received, 20-30kW, 480V machines are really targeting larger installations that would be on facilities with 480V. I would generally not build a system with 480V inverters on a 208V service. For large systems, there are large inverters runnin

Re: [RE-wrenches] MC Cable for DC runs

2013-10-21 Thread Bill Brooks
Howie, I think your electrician friend either misheard John or John was wrong. I believe the truth is that AC cable (aluminum clad) would have to be listed for dc. The NEC is specific about the grounding capabilities of the MC. I am unaware of any specific dc or ac requirements that MC has. There

Re: [RE-wrenches] Square D Disconnects mounted on the slope of the roof.

2013-11-08 Thread Bill Brooks
Kirpal, I'm not aware of a 15-degree allowance for NEMA 3R. Others on this forum may be more familiar. Bottom line, if the installation instructions do no specifically allow for an angle, you have to assume that vertical is the only allowable orientation. The only rooftop disconnects that

Re: [RE-wrenches] RE-wrenches Digest, Vol 6, Issue 423

2013-11-11 Thread Bill Brooks
William and David, This particular problem goes away with arc fault detection. The longer we wait to introduce arc fault detection into our systems, the more we will have opportunities for news reports such as the one William brings forward. Wire ties are not the problem. Could a wire tie cause

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Wiring methods

2013-11-14 Thread Bill Brooks
not helping at all. The trend has been to make it harder to protect wiring. This trend will result in accidents. I think we should do better. Sincerely, William Miller From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> [mailto:r

Re: [RE-wrenches] Mike Holt Solar Video - LIVE in your town, limited time only

2013-12-09 Thread Bill Brooks
nding electrode for PV arrays. He used everything short of drum rolls to build anticipation for this part of the presentation. Having personally contributed a short piece on this subject for SolarPro magazine along with Bill Brooks and John Wiles in 2008, I looked forward to this discussion. Finally, m

Re: [RE-wrenches] SB 240 - No Neutral Sense Conductor

2013-12-19 Thread Bill Brooks
nominal voltage. Generally, this is not a problem since an inverter that does not act quickly enough will damage itself. Bill. Bill Brooks, PE Principal Brooks Engineering 3949 Joslin Lane Vacaville, CA 95688 707-332-0761 (office and mobile) b...@brooksolar.com (email) www.brooksolar.com

Re: [RE-wrenches] CA Fire code

2014-01-07 Thread Bill Brooks
ystem will result in a Class A fire-rated roof-mounted PV system. At least that's how I understood the presentation delivered by Christopher Flueckinger from UL during the "Fire Safety" session at SPI in Chicago. I'm sure Bill Brooks will chime in shortly and provide more clarit

Re: [RE-wrenches] CA Fire code

2014-01-09 Thread Bill Brooks
Martin, Regarding your reference to installations west of I-280 requiring Class A, I did not find that in Palo Alto's materials. The City of Woodside fire department was very involved in the CalFire Guidelines and I would not be surprised if they implemented such a requirement. If you can find

Re: [RE-wrenches] EGC ground impedance

2014-01-14 Thread Bill Brooks
Andy, How are you testing the ground impedance of the EGC? Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Truitt Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 7:25 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] EGC ground impeda

Re: [RE-wrenches] EGC ground impedance

2014-01-15 Thread Bill Brooks
delivers more than we could ever use in just about 8 minutes. And it's wireless!" ~William McDonough On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Bill Brooks mailto:billbroo...@yahoo.com> > wrote: Andy, How are you testing the ground impedance of the EGC? Bill. Fr

Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2014 690.12 Rapid Shutdown

2014-01-16 Thread Bill Brooks
subject since it was a very far-reaching and potentially confusing new requirement in the NEC. Thanks for your interest and let's keep the constructive dialogue going on the subject. It is time to get involved in the NEC update process again. Bill Brooks. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re

Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2014 690.12 Rapid Shutdown

2014-01-21 Thread Bill Brooks
Brian, The requirement is generic. A listed contactor can meet the requirement. A standard is only necessary for products that want to be innovative in meeting the 30V, 240VA. Killing all power is an option with existing listed equipment. NEC 90.4 does not apply. Bill. From: re-wrenches

Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2014 690.12 Rapid Shutdown

2014-01-21 Thread Bill Brooks
Frye Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:03 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2014 690.12 Rapid Shutdown OK. So I will have a high rate of acceptance if it buy an Tyco vacuum relay, and mount it in a Hoffman enclosure, and then put it on my roof? On 1/21/2014 5:45 PM, Bill Brooks

Re: [RE-wrenches] Temperature Compensation calcs for wire

2014-01-22 Thread Bill Brooks
William, One way to think about this is that temperature correction is used based on the location of the ambient temperature you are concerned about. Mostly, we are worried about the very high temperature of conductors in a sunlit raceway on a roof. This gives us very high temperatures and we

Re: [RE-wrenches] RE-wrenches Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29

2014-01-23 Thread Bill Brooks
Dan, I believe you are referring to the Sedona fire when you talk of the energized fence. I believe the fire department was in error when they reported that the rooftop EMT energized the fence. It is pretty clear from a review of the facts that the ac service drop burned free from the house and

Re: [RE-wrenches] RE-wrenches Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29

2014-01-23 Thread Bill Brooks
Jeffrey and Ray, Batteries can off-gas hydrogen-sulfide gas when under heavy charge or overcharge. It is the nasty rotten egg smelling gas. Definitely not to be inhaled since when it hits your lungs it turns back into sulfuric acid. To address Ray’s point, the new 690.12 regulation that has

Re: [RE-wrenches] (RE-wrenches) 2x200 amp meter main panel question

2014-01-23 Thread Bill Brooks
William and John, A "320" as it is affectionately called is a 400-amp panel with a 320-amp continuous duty. This is identical to two 200-amp panels that each has a 160-amp continuous duty-that we put 40-amp breakers into on a routine basis. The "busbars" are rated for 200-amps each, just like a

Re: [RE-wrenches] conductor properties of PV wire

2014-02-07 Thread Bill Brooks
Kirk, There is no standard diameter for PV Wire so Chapter 9 table 1 must be used. By the way, Table 1 is the code and the table in Annex C are not officially the code. They are simply informational based on the standard nominal diameters of various conductors. Many conductors have non-standard

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Module fire ratings

2014-02-07 Thread Bill Brooks
Mark, You should know better than anyone else that you can't corner the sun market. If you read the reports you will find that your deepest fears are unfounded. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mark Fry

Re: [RE-wrenches] 208 V 240 in residential applications

2014-02-10 Thread Bill Brooks
WK, Marco, and William, Agreed that 208V versus 240V is not an issue for 240V single phase loads. Phase angle is not an issue for single phase loads--same reason that a single-phase inverter can work with 208/240/277V. In the case of the inverter, typically it is simply a winding count difference

Re: [RE-wrenches] California State Fire Marshal's "Solar Photovoltaic Installation Guidelines"

2014-02-13 Thread Bill Brooks
Yes Peter, It is called the 2012 International Fire Code. The California guidelines were turned into code in 2012. There is an explanation document I wrote available online at: http://solarabcs.org//about/publications/reports/fireguideline/index.html For those states that are using NFPA 1 as th

Re: [RE-wrenches] California State Fire Marshal's "Solar Photovoltaic Installation Guidelines"

2014-02-13 Thread Bill Brooks
required of the building. At least that's the interpretation I initially got from my local building and safety office. They've been sitting on my plans for two weeks so far. When they turn them around, I may have more to talk about. /wk William Korthof 714.875.3576 Sustainable Solution

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Combiner with main breaker as system disconnect

2014-03-12 Thread Bill Brooks
Glenn, The vast majority of service equipment for residences is rated 10k AIC. Although utilities may say they have some residential services that exceed 10k short circuit availability, it is still pretty rare. Using single phase gear on a 3-phase commercial installation is a different sto

Re: [RE-wrenches] Autocad

2014-03-12 Thread Bill Brooks
William, Go to http://www.associatedsoftwaresales.com/home.php . They do a 48-month lease of 2013 AutoCAD LT for $325. If you really need AutoCAD, there is no cheaper route that I know of. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wre

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Combiner with main breaker as system disconnect

2014-03-12 Thread Bill Brooks
re else in the panel that changes this? Glenn From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:24 PM To: 'RE-wrenc

Re: [RE-wrenches] Busbar 120% rule

2014-03-28 Thread Bill Brooks
Dave and Troy, I don't think JW had his facts correct on this. The standard test for a busbar is to place the highest allowable breakers directly below the main breaker to test for overtemperature of the busbar. With the requirement for Article 220 compliance of the panel, a panel that actually

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three Inverters, One Disconnect?

2014-04-04 Thread Bill Brooks
Don and Garrison, The word “dedicated” means “no loads”. That is why, the way the code is written today, you cannot plug a microinverter into a wall outlet. There is no limit to the number of inverters that can be placed on a single breaker. The limitation for inverters, is the maximum overcu

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three Inverters, One Disconnect?

2014-04-04 Thread Bill Brooks
nverters? Good, bad, or ugly? Thanks, Garrison From: Bill Brooks [mailto:billbroo...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 2:09 PM To: 'RE-wrenches'; 'Garrison Riegel' Subject: RE: [RE-wrenches] Three Inverters, One Disconnect? Don and Garrison, The word “dedicated

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid shutdown for pole mounts

2014-04-18 Thread Bill Brooks
Aaron, An exterior utility service panel with an underground service lateral is not considered in or on the building. Keep the dc conductors off of the building and you will be fine with a ground-mounted PV system. Don't bring them inside the building, and don't run them along the exterior of th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Nano cleaning and sealing products.

2014-04-21 Thread Bill Brooks
James, This product is probably much like Rain-X. While you could put it on PV modules, it would require reapplication on a fairly regular basis to keep it working. As you pointed out, I don’t think many, if any, module manufacturers that would specifically warranty their product with Rain-X

Re: [RE-wrenches] (no subject)

2014-04-28 Thread Bill Brooks
dule(s) or panel(s) secured by removable fasteners and connected by a flexible wiring system. This is not a change. Please help me understand the concern. Bill Brooks. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of R

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid shutdown for pole mounts

2014-05-02 Thread Bill Brooks
Martin, I agree that this would meet the requirement. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Martin Herzfeld Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 10:49 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid shutdown for pol

Re: [RE-wrenches] 1000 volt conduit??

2014-05-16 Thread Bill Brooks
Kirk, That is correct. Raceways are not rated for voltage. The key is whether the conductor is intended to be installed in a raceway or not. Raceways are also allowed to be used for physical protection only for direct buried cables and exposed cables. The raceway is only required to prevent phy

Re: [RE-wrenches] 2014 NEC

2014-05-27 Thread Bill Brooks
-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jay Peltz Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:32 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 2014 NEC Hi nick Good to know, I was told this by bill brooks at a training a few months ago. Jay Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2014, at 9:00 AM

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module Degradation - voltage or current?

2014-06-03 Thread Bill Brooks
Read this article from SolarPro: “Array Voltage Considerations”, SolarPro Magazine, October/November 2010, pp 68-78. Bill. From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Dana Brandt Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:42 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenc

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module Degradation - voltage or current?

2014-06-04 Thread Bill Brooks
m: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Hoffer Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:00 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Module Degradation - voltage or current? Dana Bill Brooks, passed on past data, ( correct me Bill if I am out of date

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module Degradation - voltage or current?

2014-06-04 Thread Bill Brooks
een it seems like panels that degrade at 0.5%/year are outliers on the low side. Thoughts from other wrenches? On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Bill Hoffer mailto:suneng...@gmail.com> > wrote: Dana Bill Brooks, passed on past data, ( correct me Bill if I am out of date

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pv wire

2014-06-27 Thread Bill Brooks
Kirk and All, I just got back from PV America and one of the venders there had a new PV Wire that was a completely different construction (not XLP). Their outer jacket is a more UV resilient material. There are also PV Wire with PVC jackets that are less resilient to UV than XLP. Ask for details

Re: [RE-wrenches] Combining Multiple Inverters

2014-06-27 Thread Bill Brooks
Jason, It sounds like you want to get involved with the PV industry forum. We have about 30+ active members this year so your input would be welcome. I think your idea about organization needs to be informed about some details. First of all, you need to read the new, very different, 705.12(

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pv wire

2014-06-27 Thread Bill Brooks
Kirk, The tables in Appendix C are just for reference. They are not part of the Code. The only real part of the code is in chapter 9: Table 1 Percent of Cross Section of Conduit and Tubing for Conductors and Cables Number of Conductors and/or Cables Cross-Sectional Area (%) 1

Re: [RE-wrenches] Canadian Solar / MC4 connectors in a marine environment

2016-06-07 Thread Bill Brooks
Kirk, I ran into a very similar problem with a system where the connectors were left unmated for a period of time. Salts got into the connectors and whenever the humidity was high, the salt would track current through the connector seals. Replace all the connectors first before trying anything

Re: [RE-wrenches] a PV titan is to be no more

2011-12-20 Thread Bill Brooks
Marco, With "BP" on the module, it means a lot more than some no name brand. Just because they are not producing anymore does not have any impact on their warranty obligation unless BP goes out of business-that is not likely to happen in your lifetime. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@li

Re: [RE-wrenches] a PV titan is to be no more

2011-12-21 Thread Bill Brooks
ches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:44 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] a PV titan is to be no more Marco, With "BP" on the module, it means a lot more than some no name brand. Just because

Re: [RE-wrenches] WOW Something Gone Very Wrong

2012-03-29 Thread Bill Brooks
http://solarprofessional.com/article/?file=SP4_3_pg14_QA_2 <http://solarprofessional.com/article/?file=SP4_3_pg14_QA_2&search=> &search= (Bill Brooks article on Fuse Servicing disconnect requirements) http://solarprofessional.com/article/?file=SP4_3_pg64_Hren <http://solarprofessional.com/article

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transformerless inverters

2012-04-20 Thread Bill Brooks
Joel, It ain't over until it's over. The statewide effort will not limit transformerless inverters if I have anything to do with it. This is something these guys got on their brain, and they won't let it go-YET. Once they understand better that these inverters are safer, we will get them to bac

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120% Rule - applying to multiple load centers etc

2012-05-08 Thread Bill Brooks
Andy, August, and Eric, There will likely be significant changes in the 2014 NEC to clarify the situation you are discussing. Fault current has very little to do with this issue. The key distinction was used in my proposal to the 2014 NEC that removed the statement "and conductor" in 705.1

Re: [RE-wrenches] Line side taps in Hawai'i

2012-05-21 Thread Bill Brooks
May 16, 2012 10:48 PM > *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Line side taps in Hawai'i > > Aloha Wrenches, > > I have recently started working in Hawaii on the island of Oahu and > have run into some interesting problems with the AHJ's. The biggest > issue is nobody is allowing lin

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread Bill Brooks
Benn, This product appears to be significantly superior to the old-school ILSCO tin-plated copper lugs. While those lugs may have been the best thing going 10 years ago, there have been many improvements. This looks like one of them. I would argue with the statement that tin-plated copper is in

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solmetric PVA and Tigo

2012-08-27 Thread Bill Brooks
ugust 26, 2012 11:03 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Solmetric PVA and Tigo On 8/26/2012 7:54 AM, Jesse Dahl wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone has experience using the Solmetric PVA and optimizers? Is there any issues? > > Jesse > You might ask Bill Brooks. He has a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Two NEC questions

2012-10-14 Thread Bill Brooks
August, Who at SMA said that they won't be shipping AFCI inverters? I know they have been manufacturing. I have two of the AFCI inverters in operation at my office and they are very impressive. Three months of operation since startup without a single nuisance trip and it trips every time I simu

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid non-inverter battery charger recommendations?

2012-10-15 Thread Bill Brooks
boB, The limit of 80-volts was to make an exception for single module devices like micro-inverters and for 48-volt battery systems and smaller. A change controller operating above 80V would be required to have an AFCI whether on or off grid if the array is mounted on a building. Bill. F

Re: [RE-wrenches] center fed main panel and 120% rule

2012-10-15 Thread Bill Brooks
August, I'm not really worried about residential center fed buswork since the 120% exception only applied residential prior to the 2008 NEC and the location of the OCPD was not specified. The location of the OCPD was specified in the 2008 NEC to address commercial panelboards that are run a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wire management

2013-01-09 Thread Bill Brooks
William, Nice work on the wire management side. For you and others that may not be aware, the U.S. Dept. of Energy funded the development of an online training version of my Field Inspection Guide for PV Systems (http://irecusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/PV-Field-Inspection-Guide-Jun e-2010-F-

Re: [RE-wrenches] finding array ground faults

2013-02-06 Thread Bill Brooks
Marco, This should be fairly straightforward. If the whole roof is truly grounded, you have nothing to worry about. If it is not well grounded, then you have cause for pause. I would recommend the new Megger MIT410 (or420 or 430) device. It has a 50V setting which is hugely beneficial for t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Cable tray

2013-03-25 Thread Bill Brooks
All, Here is the language that has been accepted into the 2014 NEC: 690.31(C)(2) (2) Cable Trays. PV source circuits and PV output circuits using single-conductor cable listed and labeled as Photovoltaic (PV) wire of all sizes with or without a Cable Tray marking/rating shall be permitt

Re: [RE-wrenches] Cable tray

2013-03-25 Thread Bill Brooks
William, I would strongly disagree that conduit is tried and true on rooftops. I have rarely seen good conduit runs on rooftops. Most electricians have no clue how to work with expansion joints. Conduit on rooftops is a bad idea in general. Most conduit runs in big buildings are all done indoor

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI

2013-03-26 Thread Bill Brooks
Wrenches, Fronius is releasing their AFCI inverters this month. They sent them to me for CEC approval. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stumpff Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:09 AM To: re-wrenches

Re: [RE-wrenches] Cable tray

2013-03-26 Thread Bill Brooks
William, I have all the respect in the world for you, but I'm not referring to "basket tray", which is only appropriate for small conductors. I'm talking about legitimate cable tray that can be up to 12" wide and that has a top and rungs every 12". The main facilities that use it in the United

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-27 Thread Bill Brooks
Carl, Just to be clear, the performance tests mandated by the California Energy Commission, that all products in the U.S. follow, require that the maximum power rating is continuous (24/7). Actually, continuous means that it can operate for 3 hours straight at 40C (104F) (really hot). This does

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fuse sizing in battery circuits

2013-04-05 Thread Bill Brooks
Troy, Overcurrent device size is matched to the conductor size. The inverse time constant nature of an overcurrent device can typically handle the surge currents as long as conductor sizing has truly been done correctly for the conductor. Circuit breakers are preferred to fuses because they can

Re: [RE-wrenches] double insulated wire

2013-06-28 Thread Bill Brooks
Dave, To add to your point, the typical way to wire an ungrounded PV system is to use modules with PV Wire-connect them to homeruns of PV Wire-then transition at some point to standard wire in raceways. This means that the only change from a wiring method point of view is to use PV Wire whereve

Re: [RE-wrenches] Gray code area

2008-07-28 Thread Bill Brooks
Drake and all, If I understand your thread, you are connecting through an extra 200-A breaker in a box with two 200-A services. If this service was originating from the utility, everything would be good and you would be making a 690.64(A) supply side service connection. If the connection at the ma

Re: [RE-wrenches] Gray code area

2008-07-31 Thread Bill Brooks
Drake, 690.64 relates everything to the service disconnects. All the rest of this is semantics. As long as the PV connection is upstream of the service disconnect (i.e. in between the service disconnect and the service meter), it is considered a line side service connection. If there is no

Re: [RE-wrenches] Gray code area

2008-07-31 Thread Bill Brooks
Drake, They will not let you eliminate the box with the main breaker since the conductors are run through the building. You are back to a load side connection. However, since there are no loads pulled off that conductor to the residential panel before the panel, connecting to the line side of t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Imbalanced Legs in 3-Phase systems

2008-08-08 Thread Bill Brooks
Jeff and Ryan, The 6kVA value comes from the California Rule 21 that I worked on. It only applies to split-phase 240V systems (6kVA on 120V). There is no specific limit for imbalance on a 3-phase service. A basic rule for single phase generation on a 3=phase service is to rotate among the phases

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase inverters

2008-08-19 Thread Bill Brooks
Allan, You are leaving out the most important update in the code relative to the Enphase inverter. The issue is covered in 690.14(D), Utility-Interactive Inverters Mounted in Not-Readily Accessible Locations. • Utility-interactive inverters shall be permitted to be mounted on roofs o

Re: [RE-wrenches] evergreen panels diode problems

2008-09-18 Thread Bill Brooks
Jay, I believe Evergreen has had a variety of diode problems over the past year or so. Not unlike several other manufacturers. Beware of inexpensive off-shore modules. It is common for new manufacturers to underestimate the design concerns with diodes. It's been going on for about 30 years. Bill.

Re: [RE-wrenches] evergreen panels diode problems

2008-09-21 Thread Bill Brooks
Doug, I'd like to see the bulletin about why they could not positively ground their modules. It seems quite odd. Positively grounding a module in general should have no effect on a typical module. As to why it helps the SunPower module, they have an explanation, but I'm not convinced it is true-

Re: [RE-wrenches] Personal project: roofing colors

2008-09-26 Thread Bill Brooks
William and Matt, Roof absorptivity is the key (that is radiation absorptivity). You can select some seemingly darker colors that have a lower absorptivity. However, some lighter color roofings can have absorptivities has high as dark roofs. The only way to know is to get the information from the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Protection of Conductors

2008-10-03 Thread Bill Brooks
Geoff, SS zip ties are good, but you must be very careful not to pull them tight. They should only be snug, not tight. These SS zip ties have been shown to cause ground faults in many cases. Commercial rooftops are accessible, but not readily accessible. Conductors must be supported properly and p

Re: [RE-wrenches] Utility Dis-connect

2008-10-05 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter and all, LADWP used to do a more comprehensive test. Off the record, an inverter did fail that test because the manufacturer violated their listing (AEI--no longer in business). To this person's knowledge may be correct. The problem was addressed properly, but we don't want to get on our hig

Re: [RE-wrenches] Request for Enphase inverter comments

2008-10-24 Thread Bill Brooks
Mark, I'm surprised that you are disappointed and put so much stock in warranties. Working with any new product and new company requires a go-slow mentality at the start to establish a track record and field experience. A warranty is only as valuable as the company behind the warranty. Enphase is

Re: [RE-wrenches] truss loading

2008-10-28 Thread Bill Brooks
Rip, Going down the road of engineering on every roof is a very slippery slope (particularly with ice and snow). The idea that a roof designed for 30psf would get in trouble with an additional 3psf is ridiculous. The Inspector Guidelines that I wrote, which are based many jurisdictions across the

Re: [RE-wrenches] truss loading

2008-10-28 Thread Bill Brooks
Thanks Jeff, The multiple shingle layer argument is what is used in the Inspector Guidelines. Thanks for a good overview of the issues. Bill. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Oldham Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:47 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenc

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trouble Shooting Bad Diode

2008-10-31 Thread Bill Brooks
Kirpal, When you parallel, your voltages have to be the same, so you are correct in that assumption. Your assumption about the diodes is not correct. Diodes don't work like that. You could have a shorted module (all three diodes shorted) which would lower the Voc by one module. It looks lik

Re: [RE-wrenches] mix-n-match Unisolar

2008-10-31 Thread Bill Brooks
Geoff, The ultimate issue is how many cells are in each series string and is the voltage of the cells nearly the same. As long as the number and the voltage of the cells match up for each string, it makes no difference what arrangement the modules are in. You could have 5 + 6 + 7 = 18 cells

Re: [RE-wrenches] Insolation radiation to performance numbers...

2008-11-04 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter, PVWatts would be your first free option. Interesting way to specify module power using efficiency and size. I don't believe there is quite enough information to do a direct calculation. The assumptions in PVWatts are based on location so it applies the single axis information. If really

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