Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid Shutdown Compliance

2020-05-07 Thread Christopher Warfel
I believe Rapid Shutdown was mostly a solution looking for a problem.   The only way I see this becoming "reasonable" is to present "grievances" to the Code Making Panel WITH a solution for their consideration.  Based on experience from being part of an outreach program that taught approximatel

Re: [RE-wrenches] Skybox

2020-05-07 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
The 2 Skybox inverters I installed both were based on soft start water pumps (grundfos) and a soft start air compressor for the garage. It cost more to replace the electric dryer and water heater than the solar. The owners then had a home that could run off Skybox or a small genset. These were bo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid Shutdown Compliance

2020-05-07 Thread James Jarvis
If first responders are the point of all the rapid shutdown, there needs to be better exemptions. I personally have a 20kW solar array on a 100 year old unused barn at my farm. The roof is at 50 degrees slope and needs a 60ft boom lift to access. There was significant extra expense and effort for t

[RE-wrenches] Fwd: Neutral Sizing 705.95

2020-05-07 Thread Al Frishman
Hey Wrenchers, Wondering what you all think about NEC Article 705.95 and if downsizing the Neutral is common practice. If your JHA accepts it and the model inverter you are installing complies do you see any issues with downsizing the Neutral? This section of code has been in place since 2011

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid Shutdown Compliance

2020-05-07 Thread Christopher Warfel
To change this, we need to recognize we are "fighting City Hall", and I doubt the CMP will be motivated to make changes on their own.  Maybe this has always been more political than technical, but it seems that those who are opposed to the current requirements need to make it known through the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid Shutdown Compliance

2020-05-07 Thread Brian Mehalic
I agree: utilize the formal process, ideally with a group of folks. If you are a SEIA member, get involved in their Codes and Standards process. The additional directory language you suggest is not likely to be valuable to many first responders without significant training and documentation, and

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid Shutdown Compliance

2020-05-07 Thread Lones Tuss
Hello All OutBack does offer a RSD solutions. Please see the links below http://www.outbackpower.com/products/safety-compliance/rapid-shutdown-kits We also pair up with the FireRaptor RSD product http://www.outbackpower.com/products/safety-compliance/fireraptor-rapid-shutdown In addition the FM100

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fwd: Neutral Sizing 705.95

2020-05-07 Thread Jason Szumlanski
We always specify a smaller neutral for Enphase IQ systems with 240V output where the feeder neutral is only used for the Envoy data monitor. I have never experienced a problem with an AHJ. However, this is not based on Article 705. It's based on 220.61. I just note why the neutral is downsized on

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid Shutdown Compliance

2020-05-07 Thread cwarfel
I live in a small town, so our outreach probably has greater impact. We have gone to the FD meetings, we tell them about the system types and definitions, quiz them and follow up. So, I think depending upon training, which is not a one shot deal, it can have an impact. They seem relieved. On 202