[RE-wrenches] Ladders for Inspectors

2011-09-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Is anyone being forced to leave ladders up and secured in place for inspectors? One jurisdiction in our neck of the woods is insisting that we do this. I believe this is a serious risk to public safety, and I won't be responsible for some homeowner or curious child getting injured on or around a la

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ladders for Inspectors

2011-09-01 Thread Dave Click
A letter from your insurance company may do the trick here. They probably wouldn't be too happy about the homeowner, curious child, OR inspector using your ladder even if you are on site watching it. On 2011/9/1 7:45, Jason Szumlanski wrote: Is anyone being forced to leave ladders up and secur

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ladders for Inspectors

2011-09-01 Thread Benn At DayStarSolar
This issue came up for me as well. I dont recall at the moment where it is written, perhaps it was OSHA, but apparently the contractor (permit puller) is responsible for supplying access and safety equip ie, fall protection (with exception of personal PPE, boots, hat, glasses) for inspectors t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ladders for Inspectors

2011-09-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Ha – The roof we are dealing with today has 26’ high eaves and it is a steep metal roof. There is no way they are actually getting up there. When we do timed inspections in other jurisdictions they rarely step foot on a ladder. Maybe it’s a testament to our reputation, but we are paying for the

[RE-wrenches] Western Massachusetts installer needed

2011-09-01 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
I am looking for someone to install a PV solar and inverter/charger system in an RV is Western Massachusetts. It is similar to an off grid system. Please contact me off list if you can help. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems 11871 S Fortuna Road, #210 Yuma, AZ 85367 la...@starlightso

[RE-wrenches] San Francisco electrician referral needed.

2011-09-01 Thread William Miller
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[RE-wrenches] No referrals on list, please

2011-09-01 Thread Michael Welch
Hi gang. Just a reminder to **not** use this list to either find customers, find installers, or to refer potential customer to others. If you have any questions about this, please contact me off list. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Add

[RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread mac Lewis
Hello wrenches, I have a battery bank questions. I have an Oil & Gas client interested in setting up an off-grid control system that has a various DC loads at 12VDC, 24 VDC and 48 VDC. My thought is to build a 48 V battery bank and tap off the bank at various points to create a 12V bus, 24V bus

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I always thought that a very small 12V or 24V tap relative to the total capacity would be inconsequential. I was recently told otherwise by a battery mfr rep, but that is not surprising. I suppose the real question is what constitutes inconsequential. A 1A @ 12V fan on a 1000aH @48V battery bank

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Exeltech
Mac, Don't tap the battery.  Bad idea.  Uneven loading = unequal charge/discharge, which leads to shortened battery life and other troubles. Better idea:  If you know the maximum load current, use high-efficiency DC-DC supplies of adequate current and other ratings to step 48V down to 12 or 24V

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Allan Sindelar
mac, Don't tap off various voltages. Use DC-DC converters for any voltage other than nominal. Anything else will lead to uneven charging and shortened life. Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Ph

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Dan Fink
I always thought small multi-voltage taps, for example a 12 volt domestic water pressure pump center-tapped from a 24 volt battery bank, would be no problem, too, but experience and troubleshooting calls have proved otherwise. Even such a low-power intermittent use has caused serious problems i

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Dan, What kind of efficiency level (%) can you get out of a DC-DC supply on a small load, say <5A @ 12V with a 48V->12V converter? Is the efficiency level highly variable depending on load as a percentage of the converter's maximum capacity, or is it pretty constant? I run into this once in

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Hugh
At 15:57 -0400 1/9/11, Jason Szumlanski wrote: A 1A @ 12V fan on a 1000aH @48V battery bank can't make any real difference. Correct me if I am wrong! Yes that is wrong, because after 4 days you have removed 10% of the nominal capacity or about 20% of the usable capacity. Tapping off batt

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Exeltech
Hi Jason, Well designed off-the-shelf converters can achieve 90% efficiency, and as you mention, this will vary a bit depending on the rated output current of the converter vs. the actual load current. I've designed and built  24V @ 25A to 12V @ 50A converters for my own use that are in the 95

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread The Solar Powered Office of Tom Duffy
Mac Don't do it! ...use a dc to dc converter to step down to each bus 12v 24v etc. and then just hook up the equipment thru breakers to each bus Tom Duffy Systems Design Engineer t...@thesolar.biz 575-539-2111 X 301 Although no trees were killed in the sending of this messa

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread John DeBoever
Mac, Never tap a battery bank off various voltages. This will result into unbalanced battery units, thus confusing the charger, resulting into unbalance charge, boiling ones and sulfating others occurring, killing the battery fast... When facing various loads with various operating voltage 12V,

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
1a x 12V x 24hrs = 288 watt-hours on a 48,000 watt-hour battery. My math shows 0.6% of the nominal capacity. And that assumes there is no charging source present. That being said, I would agree that avoiding it altogether is the wise decision, but there has to be a level at which the tapped load i

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ladders for Inspectors

2011-09-01 Thread Andrew Truitt
> Jason - In my experience AHJs run the gamut on this issue, from refusing to > get on the roof to requiring OSHA compliant access to all areas of the > system supplied by the installer. In the latter case I would ALWAYS have > someone on site, even if they had to wait all day (not uncommon). The

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread mac Lewis
Glad I asked! Do these converters have a decent expected lifetime? If anyone has any good DC-DC converters to peddle, please contact me off list. Thanks for the help. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: > 1a x 12V x 24hrs = 288 watt-hours on a 48,000 watt-hour battery. My m

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Darryl Thayer
I am both interested in the idle power, and the operating efficiency This often comes up, but what does it require to allow a DC appliance to wait and simply turn on when when necessary and not waste power when it is off?  Darryl From: Exeltech To: RE-wrenches Sent: Thursday, September 1, 201

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Darryl Thayer
I would guess that it depends upon the use cycle, you always put more electrons back in than you take out, If you are assuming a 90% recharge efficiency recharging once every three days, a few percent of the recharge excess energy could be used.  BUT I strongly agree I have seen too many problem

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Exeltech
At the risk of sounding sarcastic (and I assure this is not my intent) .. to allow a DC appliance to wait and simply turn on when when necessary and not waste power when it is off would take a battery ..  internal or external to the appliance. Something has to keep the appliance powered.  The b

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Hugh
At 16:48 -0400 1/9/11, Jason Szumlanski wrote: 1a x 12V x 24hrs = 288 watt-hours on a 48,000 watt-hour battery. My math shows 0.6% of the nominal capacity. And that assumes there is no charging source present. Wrong again. Sorry. You are taking out four times that percentage out of just one q

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Sorry - I missed the 4 days part of your post. I'm not sure where you came up with 4 days - sounds kind of arbitrary. I'd be interested to know if it makes any difference at all if you tap a 12V load only when there is a 48V charging source present (assuming the charging source current is signific

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread William Miller
Or a switch... At 03:14 PM 9/1/2011, you wrote: .. to allow a DC appliance to wait and simply turn on when when necessary and not waste power when it is off would take a battery .. internal or external to the appliance. ___ List sponsored by Home