[RE-wrenches] Power One Vs Kaco

2011-07-25 Thread Drake
Hello Wrenches, I'm comparing two inverters for a small residential job, where the inverters will AC couple with a pair of Outbacks during power outages. The two candidates, so far are the transformerless Power One and the Kaco, neither of which I have used before. My questions are: * Ho

[RE-wrenches] Efficient step up, down transformers

2011-07-25 Thread lars Ortegren
Wrenches, I recently installed three "ultra -efficient" step up-down transformers on an off grid micro grid project with a 1500' wire run. The grid is powered by a an old SW4024(120v) output, stepped up to 480v, and stepped down to 240v at two locations. I was told by the manufactu

Re: [RE-wrenches] Efficient step up, down transformers

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Frye
Lars, Scary stuff. I worked with a system similar to this and went with big wire. The problem with xfrms is that you can either have low standby losses and good efficency at load or vis-a-versa, but you can't really have both. Were the xfrms specifically wound for 120x480 conversion? If not,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Efficient step up, down transformers

2011-07-25 Thread Exeltech
Measuring current without the phase relationship between the current and voltage isn't indicative of the actual power consumed.  Likely what you were seeing is the eddy current in the transformer core.  If so, it's 90 degrees out of phase with the voltage, and the real wattage consumed with no lo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Efficient step up, down transformers

2011-07-25 Thread Jason Szumlanski
The wire would be a one-time-cost. Even "ultra-efficient" transformers cheat you out of energy for the long-haul, and are an added potential point of failure. We are running into customers that have 480V service with 480->120/208 transformers and they want Enphase microinverters. I cringe a lit

Re: [RE-wrenches] Efficient step up, down transformers

2011-07-25 Thread R Ray Walters
I thought (based a previous thread) that we needed to be concerned with VA output of inverters, not wattage, at least on the transformer based machines like the SW. I realize this wouldn't be an actual load if on grid. In these situations, I just measure DC amps into the inverter to determine the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Efficient step up, down transformers

2011-07-25 Thread Exeltech
Focusing on VA ratings would not be advisable. Here's why. Watts are real power. This would be actual DC volts times actual DC amps. Measuring DC volts and DC amps as you're presently doing is a good approach. It yields a valid result. On the other hand, volt-amps ("VA") are nothing more than

Re: [RE-wrenches] Efficient step up, down transformers

2011-07-25 Thread R Ray Walters
Hi Dan; I agree that a 2000 VA inverter isn't equal to a 2000 watt unit. The focus on VA here though was not about looking at the rating of the inverter, but instead noting that a load with a high reactive component might draw more energy than a purely resistive load in a battery based inverter

[RE-wrenches] Module Racking Attachment to SIP Roof

2011-07-25 Thread Gary Willett
Fellow Wrenches: Working on a residential PV design using Structural Insulated Panels, or SIP panels. Preliminary design is three AC strings of 17 microinverters, in three portrait rows ~18" apart. The good news is that the builder wants to include the PV as part of the original construction