Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16 2v vs 6v

2010-07-21 Thread Darryl Thayer
My experiance is limited, but I saw results of paralled AGMs cataching fire, It was several years ago, I think is was only 4 parallel strings (maybe 6). It happened during the day with a high charge rate. AGMs have a higher temperature voltage temperature curve. The temperature got higher on

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load Center

2010-07-21 Thread Phil Theis
Yes, a distribution box that does not have a main breaker. Phil benn kilburn wrote: phil, by load center, are you referring to the distribution panel? benn DayStar Renewable Energy Inc. b...@daystarsolar.ca 780-906-7807 HAVE A SUNNY DAY *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:*This email, including any

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16 2v vs 6v

2010-07-21 Thread Ronald Paredes
Thank you Allan. Howie - Sorry for not being more clear. OCV = Open Circuit Voltage SG = Specific Gravity Best Regards, Ronald Paredes Technical Product Manager - Renewable Energy Trojan Battery Company 12380 Clark Street Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670 Tel: (562)236-3000 Ext. 3066 Fax: (562)236-

[RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters

2010-07-21 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I'm looking for experiences/recommendations for a 15-20kW propane generator. It would be going in an off-grid system with dual Outback 3600W inverter/chargers. The excess capacity would power larger loads than the inverters can handle. Fuel economy and harsh environment performance are the top prio

Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters

2010-07-21 Thread Mark Frye
Can you say something more about the system? Is there a PV component? What is the size and type of the battery bank? The thing I am beginning to understand about propane generators is that there is a problem with Outback charging re: partial load efficiency. If the generator/chargers are sized

Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters

2010-07-21 Thread Darryl Thayer
The propane and gasoline generators both ar premixed combustion and have a low efficiency at part throttle/ part load. The Diesel does the best job of maintaining efficency at low load. The outback can control its charging current to the load limit of the generator. If the AC loads need more

Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters

2010-07-21 Thread Allan Sindelar
The Onan RS2 shown in the generators article in HP 131 page 98 has performed flawlessly as backup support to an Outback quad-stack of VFX3648s. Differences, however, are that this 20kW gennie charges four inverters, rather than two; the elevation is 6,600 feet for ab

Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters

2010-07-21 Thread Mark Frye
Allen, Can I infer that if you are shutting off the gen before charge rates drop in absorption that you are running only briefly in the absorb phase? Or do your charge currents remain high through out an extended absortion phase? Perhaps you have plenty of PV which you rely upon to bring the ba

Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters

2010-07-21 Thread Allan Sindelar
Mark, Yeah, the gennie is set to come on automatically through the Mate, but the homeowner pays attention. There's about 5kW of array for this off-grid home as well, so it's a gennie-backed PV system. Also, all modules are on trackers (long boring story) so ther

[RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING

2010-07-21 Thread Dana
As the % of full charge is related to the of degree absorption & gravity [the denser & more charged acid descending, and lighter acid rising] @ what point in the absorption would be prudent to stop charging? I used to cut off the charge on the Trace SW series at 12 "return amps", VS. the factor

Re: [RE-wrenches] low cost DAS systems - Follow-up

2010-07-21 Thread Joel Davidson
Hello Wrenches, After a busy 1.5 months, I'm finally getting back to setting up the software for PowerSave Envi (aka Current Cost)monitoring system on our home/office PV systems. What software do you recommend? As always, thank you for sharing what you have learned. Best regards, Joel Davidson

Re: [RE-wrenches] low cost DAS systems - Follow-up

2010-07-21 Thread Roy Butler
Joel, I would be very interested in further updates on your Envi experience. I bought one to use in my PV installer workshops and used it for the first time back in May. I'm really hoping that future software, theirs or 3rd party, can fix two glarin

Re: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING

2010-07-21 Thread Darryl Thayer
That is a good question, I have not an answer, but of course it should be based on the amp hour of the battery bank, absorb charging voltage, and of course the charging source in the case of generators.  Following Ron's advise start at C/5 for SOC less than 50% then C/10 till about 70% SOC and t

Re: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING

2010-07-21 Thread boB Gudgel
Darryl Thayer wrote: That is a good question, I have not an answer, but of course it should be based on the amp hour of the battery bank, absorb charging voltage, and of course the charging source in the case of generators. Following Ron's advise start at C/5 for SOC less than 50% then C/10 t

Re: [RE-wrenches] low cost DAS systems - Follow-up

2010-07-21 Thread frenergy
Wrenches, I am looking for an Evergreen EC-120-GL to replace the one dinged by the rock flung by my client "weeding" aroung the ground mounted array with a lawn mower. It may take me a couple days to respond as I'm on the road. Thanks in advance for any responses off-list. Bill Feathe