Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply side tap not allowed

2010-06-17 Thread Philip Boutelle
Jeff, I'm guessing that the document your AHJ saw or is referring to is here, and might help you prepare for the meeting with the AHJ: http://www.ul.com/global/documents/corporate/aboutul/publications/newsletters/electricalconnections/april10.pdf I got wind of this document from John Wiles, and

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply side tap not allowed

2010-06-17 Thread Jeff Oldham
Thanks all for the good feedback. A service upgrade to this flush mount meter/main is beyond what the owner cares to spend as it is a major project being it is in a wall that is extremely crowded both structurally and electrically. There is no way to get between the meter and main w/o any modif

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply side tap not allowed

2010-06-17 Thread Bob-O Schultze
I'm in agreement with Brian on this one. Of course, the realities are that it's another big expense associated with putting in a system and doing a service change may exceed your license classification. That said, in this case the inspector is doing you a favor if he wants you to stay the hell o

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply side tap not allowed

2010-06-17 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
Another option is to install a gutter between the meter and the zinsco panel. This will require pulling the meter or having the utility disconnect the service for a short period of time..essentially the gutter is the junction box. looks good and gives you options for adding a replacement to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply side tap not allowed

2010-06-17 Thread EcoSolar - Eric Andrews
Using a separate J-box is key. Even better (and cleaner) than Polaris are NSI distribution blocks in your J-box. The inspector will appreciate the maximum integrity. This does usually require replacing service or feeder conductors, but it is a rock solid method for code, utility and difficult in

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply side tap not allowed

2010-06-17 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
Jeff, This is any easy one. REPLACE THAT ZINSCO SERVICE PANEL!!! That is just a fire waiting to happen. I wouldn't touch it with a 10'pole. There are all kinds of horror stories all over the internet about Zinsco panels causing fires. There is a reason why they are no longer in business. Bria

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply side tap not allowed

2010-06-17 Thread Jeff Oldham
Thanks for the input Jeff. This is a basic small Meter/Main (100A) only. The feeder leaves the main and runs about 200' to the house. Removing the short jumper leads from the meter socket and routing them to another panel and then back again to the Main seems like far more modification to the pa

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply side tap not allowed

2010-06-17 Thread R Ray Walters
Jeff's idea is good, but I think the only potential violation of the listing of the service panel, would be if you drilled and tapped into the buss bar. Tapping the cable w/ a listed connector shouldn't cause any trouble to the service panel. (230.33 specifically allows the service cable splice

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply side tap not allowed

2010-06-17 Thread drake . chamberlin
Right! So long as the tap isn't made inside the box, it can't have any effect on the listing of the box. > If possible, install a j-box between the meter and MSP, run the service > entrance conductors through it unbroken and through Polaris type > connectors for the tap. > > > > Jeff Irish > > Hu

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply side tap not allowed

2010-06-17 Thread Jeff Irish
If possible, install a j-box between the meter and MSP, run the service entrance conductors through it unbroken and through Polaris type connectors for the tap. Jeff Irish Hudson Valley Clean Energy From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:r