Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-21 Thread I2P
In a message dated 11/20/2008 9:57:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It opens when the genny is on) might be easier than a NO relay on the grid-side. Anyone do it this way? Kelly, I would do this and sleep at night. Don **One site has it all. Your

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-21 Thread Tump
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:31 PM To: RE Wrenches listserve Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators Jay, Drake, Don, Jeff & Wr

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-20 Thread Darryl Thayer
ment, as I have heard of new improvements that allow better gen and grid tie operation. Darryl --- On Thu, 11/20/08, Kurt Albershardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Kurt Albershardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators >

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-20 Thread Kurt Albershardt
I'm hearing that it "should" be OK, but to CYA install a relay. Yes, but... The real answer is to find a genset and inverter which can peacefully coexist. I don't know what sort of regulator topology is used by the gensets we have heard about, but that seems to be the key. Many commercial/i

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-20 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Hi Dana, I¹m hearing that it ³should² be OK, but to CYA install a relay. We just secured a third such system ­ this one with the generator and transfer switch 200 feet away from the inverter. Installing a relay on this one would mean 200 feet of conduit through driveway and landscaping. Or, maybe

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-20 Thread Dana Brandt
Hey Kelly, I think that's probably the best solution. I don't think it should be necessary with Sunny Boys in gridtied system, but it's certainly the safest bet. I'm not sure if all SB's come with the right firmware, or if it's a special option, but they can be programmed to allow for a wide grid

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-20 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
All, I suppose a normally-closed relay on the inverter output, with coil energized from the generator (i.e. It opens when the genny is on) might be easier than a NO relay on the grid-side. Anyone do it this way? -Kelly On 11/20/08 9:30 AM, "Kelly Keilwitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The re

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-20 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Jay, Drake, Don, Jeff & Wrenches, The relay seems like a reasonable solution. However, if the main panel is entirely backed up by the genny, to power the relay from the grid (only) requires a line-side tap, yes? Is there a simple solution that I¹m missing? We have another, similar system complete

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-20 Thread Drake Chamberlin
Talking to SMA, during a 4248 Sunny Island installation, w/ AC coupled Sunny Boys and a generator backup via transfer switch, I was told that backfeed to the generator needed to be addressed. The Sunny Island has a setting that will limit backfeed to the generator to a value that can be set by

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-19 Thread Jeff Clearwater, Village Power Design
Hi Folks, We burnt up a gen set's voltage regulator on an off-grid system sunny island/sunny boy system when we took the sunny island's off-line but didn't shut off the sunny boy. So the SB backfed the genny and fried the very expensive voltage regulator on a 30 KW system. SMA had us instal

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-19 Thread jay peltz
Hi Kelly It is an interesting issue and was just dicussing this the other day. I think what happens if the inverter backfeeds the genny, the generator voltage will go up, if it goes up enough, it will go outside the window of the inverter and the inverter will drop out, voltage will them r

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-19 Thread I2P
In a message dated 11/19/2008 5:25:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can imagine, if the inverter tries to sync with the inverter, that the voltage could rise, causing the inverter to disconnect, wait 5 minutes, repeat. Is there anything nasty that could happen?

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-19 Thread Drake Chamberlin
At 06:24 PM 11/19/2008, you wrote: Is there any issue connecting a batteryless grid-tie PV system to the load side of a panel that is backed-up by a generator on an automatic transfer switch, when the grid is down and the generator running? It is recommended to use a relay to disconnect the i

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid-tie inverters & generators

2008-11-19 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Wrenches, I'm dredging up this subject again (previous postings 6/08) with a simple question that doesn't seem to have been answered: Is there any issue connecting a batteryless grid-tie PV system to the load side of a panel that is backed-up by a generator on an automatic transfer switch, when th