Simpliphi has been around since 2002, so they actually are older than
their 10 year old warranty. Most other companies can't make that
claim. As far as reliability, each 3.8 kWh is independent, so you can
just shut down a bad unit and send it in for repair. I'm building
systems with 4 to 6 un
Discover Battery has been around since just after WWII. I think that since
each Li battery is native to the system voltage, the way to get some
redundancy is to simply have more than one battery, most systems will
anyway. Then if one fails you can use the other ones until the failed one
is replaced
Blue planet has money behind them and already years of manufacturing, many
more years then some of the other manufacturers out there
Jerry
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 2:06 PM frenergy wrote:
> Wrenchers,
>
> I seem to continue to have my foot stuck in the past
> regarding off-grid. Off -
Hi David, I have used "Iron Edison" they will custom build a LiFe PO
battery to your specifications
There may be a way to combine LiFe and Pb acid, using the LiFe PO for
cycling and the Pb for high energy.
If cycling is a smaller portion of the load.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 3:00 PM David Katz wro
Bill,
I too have the same issues and the only reliable (long term) way offgrid
is to have both chemistries. You get the best of the new battery types
(partial Soc tolerant) and the reliability of a a LA battery without any
electronics adding new ways to lose power. By having both hooked up to
the
Wrenchers,
I seem to continue to have my foot stuck in the past
regarding off-grid. Off -grid seems to have more of an element of a
need for reliability, redundancy, klugability. Believe me L-ion
batteries and especially the "total units" like the:
https://simpliphipower.com/pr
Ray,
I agree it is a kludgey way to accomplish a low battery cut off. But, it
doesn't change the no load draw issue. No load draw is still a problem
even if the normal low battery cut off adjustment has enough range. At
least with most lithium batteries there is a secondary shutoff.
Kent Ost
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> [External email: Use c
That was our kludgey plan, if Schneider can't do a firmware update. The
issue I have with that, is the no load draw of the inverter is still 25
watts, so eventually it could still pull the batteries into full shutdown.
Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760
On 3/23/20 10:30 AM, Kent Osterberg
now if you have any
question
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We've been having good luck with SImpliphi, the pricing has recently gotten
much more competitive. As it&#x
I like that approach, Jay. Great idea. It gets the job done and is self
contained - using only the features of the inverter. The remote power
off could still be used with another remote switch. If there aren't
enough aux output ports in the system, one could add a Morningstar relay
driver.
No
Hi Kent,
Yes that’s what I mean.
According to the manual I’ve got, up to 52v for the low, 64 for the high.
Which is high enough to do what the simpliphi needs.
Jay
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Kent Osterberg wrote:
>
> Jay,
>
> Do you mean: use the Aux relay to activate the Remote P
Jay,
Do you mean: use the Aux relay to activate the Remote Power Off? What is
the low battery setting range for the Aux relay? I don't see it in the
manual.
Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar
On 3/22/2020 4:04 PM, Jay wrote:
Ray,
Have you heard bought about using the Aux relay to control t
Sorry about spell check
It should have read.
Have you thought about...
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Jay wrote:
>
>
> Ray,
> Have you heard bought about using the Aux relay to control the AC output at
> what ever voltage you want?
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Ray
Ray,
Have you heard bought about using the Aux relay to control the AC output at
what ever voltage you want?
Jay
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Ray wrote:
>
>
> That's the whole point: we need the LBCO to be higher than 48v to catch the
> beginning of that steep drop off, so that there
That's the whole point: we need the LBCO to be higher than 48v to catch
the beginning of that steep drop off, so that there is still enough
reserve left to keep the monitoring and solar charge controllers in
operation, and avoid the dreaded dark start. With Simpliphi, we don't
have the dark st
Wrenches
Don't let the LBCU scare you as this battery has such a flat SOC line that
when it falls off there is not much left in the tank. In addition set the
flex net to low SOC at 15% and critical to 10%.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 12:15 PM Sindelar Solar
wrote:
> Specifically with Blue Ion, the ins
The possibility of dark start and 30% higher cost are 2 reasons we have
preferred Simpliphi lately. Simpliphi just requires resetting its
breaker on top of the battery. Also the Simpliphi allows more layouts,
so it doesn't stick out into the room. We have one customer that has a
system with e
Specifically with Blue Ion, the installation manual recommends 48V as
LBCO, but also recommends setting it a bit higher:
"Recommended Low Voltage Disconnect Setting: 48 VDC (~2-10% State of Charge)
BMU will power down the Blue Ion 2.0 cabinet at 44 VDC (<1% State of Charge)
Based on system disch
Wrenches
Blue ion is a better solution, no extra parts cables or racking, all part
of the "system" and works very well
Jerry
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 11:44 AM Ray wrote:
> Blue Ion, and Simpliphi that I know of.
>
> Ray Walters
> Remote Solar
> 303 505-8760
>
> On 3/21/20 2:48 PM, Dave Angelini Off
Blue Ion, and Simpliphi that I know of.
Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760
On 3/21/20 2:48 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:
I see what you mean Ray. Sorry I misread your mail. There are not too
many batteries out there that need LBCO above 48V. Which ones are you
talking about pleas
Yea weird times. Ha
I guess Zeke figured it out, oh well
I’ve got 4 meters, and they agree if and only if they get to full every few
days. If it goes longer they get further off. And I’m talking multiple
trimetrics all set exactly the same.
Given the flat curve of LipO, I don’t know if I trus
I see what you mean Ray. Sorry I misread your mail. There are not too
many batteries out there that need LBCO above 48V. Which ones are you
talking about please?
DAVE ANGELINI OFFGRID SOLAR
"we go where
powerlines don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [1]
e-mail
offgridso...@sti.net [2]
Hi Jay,
Been awhile. Pretty weird times. Really nice to be off the
grid, I think you would agree!
The answer to your question is you don't
know if it is accurate. I would call the tweaking of the numbers programmed
into Flexnet or the Schneider bat mon :"for indication only" You can
observe it
Hi Ray,
Which XW? There are 3 now. The old graybox XW defaults at 44V
LBCO and the range is 40 to 48V. There also was firmware back in its day
that got older units updated. Schneider still has the firmware under
discontinued products.
XW+ is default 44V and adjustable 36 to 44 vdc.
XW pro i
Hi Dave,
How do you know that the OB FNDC is correct vs the internal BMS?
Jay
Peltz Power.
> On Mar 21, 2020, at 10:02 AM, penobscotso...@midmaine.com wrote:
>
> Fortress EVaults have their own lcd screen with Soc, but Dave is right,
> it's not as accurate on RE Optics. We do get a battery
Fortress EVaults have their own lcd screen with Soc, but Dave is right,
it's not as accurate on RE Optics. We do get a battery reading without any
add-ons, they are just usually off up to 10% from each other.
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> They all work but none of them can get Soc and a few other
> things ou
We've been having good luck with SImpliphi, the pricing has recently
gotten much more competitive. As it's names states, its simple. Each
3.8 kWh unit has an 80 amp breaker built into the top, weigh about 75
lbs, and are a bit smaller than an L16 but with carry handles. We use
an insulated 2
Hi David,
They all work but none of them can get Soc and a few other
things out to Optics unless you add an external Outback Battery monitor.
Outback has said they plan to have their own Lithium battery out in the
Fall.
Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines
don't"
http://member
Hi Dave,
We've been using Fortress Power EVaults (18.5 kw per) with good results
with Radian 8048's
Daryl
> Hello Wrenches,
> I am working with some people that want to use a 20 kw-hour to 30 kw-hour
> 48 volt lithium-ion battery with an Outback Radian and Outback FM charge
> controllers.
> They
I’ve used Blue Ion and Fortress eVault 18.5 with the Radian and both have
worked well. Blue Ion’s BMU and egauge are very sophisticated and has 5
years on Fortress’s 10 year warranty. Fortress is a great value but its
batteries are integrated into the cabinet and not modular like the Blue Ion
and w
Hello Wrenches,
I am working with some people that want to use a 20 kw-hour to 30 kw-hour
48 volt lithium-ion battery with an Outback Radian and Outback FM charge
controllers.
They are considering using Discover, Blue-Ion, Battle Born or SimpliPhi
batteries.
Does any one have any recommendations of
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