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> On Mar 22, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ray, > Have you heard bought about using the Aux relay to control the AC output at > what ever voltage you want? > > Jay > > > > >>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Ray <r...@solarray.com> wrote: >>> >> >> That's the whole point: we need the LBCO to be higher than 48v to catch the >> beginning of that steep drop off, so that there is still enough reserve left >> to keep the monitoring and solar charge controllers in operation, and avoid >> the dreaded dark start. With Simpliphi, we don't have the dark start, but >> it still requires manual reset. This isn't theoretical, we have been >> having serious trouble with a system because of Schneider's inability to set >> the LVD above 48 v. Also setting the voltage higher (lower DOD) extends the >> cycle life of these batteries. Otherwise, I love the stable 51 volts of >> Li+, even under load. >> >> Ray Walters >> Remote Solar >> 303 505-8760 >>> On 3/22/20 4:15 PM, Jerry Shafer wrote: >>> Wrenches >>> Don't let the LBCU scare you as this battery has such a flat SOC line that >>> when it falls off there is not much left in the tank. In addition set the >>> flex net to low SOC at 15% and critical to 10%. >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 12:15 PM Sindelar Solar <al...@sindelarsolar.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Specifically with Blue Ion, the installation manual recommends 48V as >>>> LBCO, but also recommends setting it a bit higher: >>>> >>>> "Recommended Low Voltage Disconnect Setting: 48 VDC (~2-10% State of >>>> Charge) >>>> BMU will power down the Blue Ion 2.0 cabinet at 44 VDC (<1% State of >>>> Charge) >>>> Based on system discharge patterns, SoC and voltage correlations will vary. >>>> We recommend you err on the side of caution with a higher LVD setting and >>>> adjust as necessary. >>>> To prevent a dark start event, we recommend leaving a little reserve “fuel >>>> in the tank”." >>>> >>>> I have used 48VDC with success, and had one system indeed shut down at >>>> 44V, leaving 1% left to reboot. >>>> >>>> Allan >>>> >>>>> On 3/22/2020 12:44 PM, Ray wrote: >>>>> Blue Ion, and Simpliphi that I know of. >>>>> >>>>> Ray Walters >>>>> Remote Solar >>>>> 303 505-8760 >>>>> On 3/21/20 2:48 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote: >>>>>> I see what you mean Ray. Sorry I misread your mail. There are not too >>>>>> many batteries out there that need LBCO above 48V. Which ones are you >>>>>> talking about please? >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar >>>>>> >>>>>> "we go where powerlines don't" >>>>>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ >>>>>> e-mail offgridso...@sti.net >>>>>> text 209 813 0060 >>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:18:21 -0700, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar >>>>>>> <offgridso...@sti.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Ray, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which XW? There are 3 now. The old graybox XW defaults at 44V LBCO and >>>>>>> the range is 40 to 48V. There also was firmware back in its day that >>>>>>> got older units updated. Schneider still has the firmware under >>>>>>> discontinued products. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> XW+ is default 44V and adjustable 36 to 44 vdc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> XW pro is running downstairs and I will take a look. It would be my >>>>>>> guess that it is the same as XW+. I think one needs to be sure they are >>>>>>> in Advanced settings to tweak LBCO also. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not plugging Schneider and have done work for both Outback and >>>>>>> Schneider as well as my clients. Hope this helps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar >>>>>>> "we go where powerlines don't" >>>>>>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ >>>>>>> e-mail offgridso...@sti.net >>>>>>> text 209 813 0060 >>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:46:21 -0400, Ray <r...@solarray.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We've been having good luck with SImpliphi, the pricing has recently >>>>>>> gotten much more competitive. As it's names states, its simple. Each >>>>>>> 3.8 kWh unit has an 80 amp breaker built into the top, weigh about 75 >>>>>>> lbs, and are a bit smaller than an L16 but with carry handles. We use >>>>>>> an insulated 2 pole combiner block to run all the parallel conductors >>>>>>> to the main 2/0 cable. No monitoring, but they do have an handy setup >>>>>>> guide with recommended settings, specific for each manufacturer >>>>>>> (including Outback). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note to all: Schneider XW can still not set its LVD above 48, which >>>>>>> basically makes it incompatible with most Li+ batteries. Their tech >>>>>>> support has been abysmal as well. We're looking forward to them as >>>>>>> one of the larger companies in the business, to put additional >>>>>>> resources into their engineering, and come out with at least a firmware >>>>>>> update to correct this problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ray Walters >>>>>>> Remote Solar >>>>>>> 303 505-8760 >>>>>>> On 3/20/20 3:59 PM, David Katz wrote: >>>>>>> Hello Wrenches, >>>>>>> I am working with some people that want to use a 20 kw-hour to 30 >>>>>>> kw-hour 48 volt lithium-ion battery with an Outback Radian and Outback >>>>>>> FM charge controllers. >>>>>>> They are considering using Discover, Blue-Ion, Battle Born or SimpliPhi >>>>>>> batteries. >>>>>>> Does any one have any recommendations of which battery functions best >>>>>>> with the Outback system. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> David Katz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>>>>>> >>>>>>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>>>>>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> List-Archive: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> List rules & etiquette: >>>>>>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Check out or update participant bios: >>>>>>> www.members.re-wrenches.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>>>>> >>>>>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>>>>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>>>>> >>>>>> List-Archive: >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >>>>>> >>>>>> List rules & etiquette: >>>>>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Check out or update participant bios: >>>>>> www.members.re-wrenches.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>>>> >>>>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>>>> >>>>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>>>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>>>> >>>>> List-Archive: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >>>>> >>>>> List rules & etiquette: >>>>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>>>> >>>>> Check out or update participant bios: >>>>> www.members.re-wrenches.org >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Allan Sindelar >>>> al...@sindelarsolar.com >>>> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional >>>> New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician >>>> Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc. >>>> 505 780-2738 cell >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>>> >>>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>>> >>>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>>> >>>> List-Archive: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >>>> >>>> List rules & etiquette: >>>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>>> >>>> Check out or update participant bios: >>>> www.members.re-wrenches.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>> >>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>> >>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>> >>> List-Archive: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >>> >>> List rules & etiquette: >>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>> >>> Check out or update participant bios: >>> www.members.re-wrenches.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >>
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