Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion troubleshooting

-0600 From: Mac Lewis <maclew...@gmail.com> To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Aquion troubleshooting Message-ID: <CAOABG49o=uqnxre4qgzz5qi_9cnvfpkk6ebyom1dgd-ptng...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hey

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion troubleshooting

ase excuse typos and spelling errors.-- Original message--From: Mac LewisDate: Sat, Jul 24, 2021 1:03 PMTo: RE-wrenches;Cc: Subject:[RE-wrenches] Aquion troubleshootingHey wrenches,Does anyone have any advice for troubleshooting Aquion batteries? This particular stack is an Aspen 48M-25.9

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion troubleshooting

Wrenches Personnelly l would replace the stack, rather than them loosing a charge there might just not be any charge to begin with. Once the batteries settle they just are dead. You can isolate and load test if that makes the customer feel better. Jerry On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 10:03 AM Mac Lewis wr

[RE-wrenches] Aquion troubleshooting

Hey wrenches, Does anyone have any advice for troubleshooting Aquion batteries? This particular stack is an Aspen 48M-25.9. They are losing power on a nightly basis. I'm not seeing much technical literature out there and I'm not familiar with these batteries. Are there any common failures? How do

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion

Hi Drake, About a year ago I inherited two different off-grid customers with existing/ failing Aquion battery banks. Higher discharge rate seemed to be the prognosis. One system had 12 batteries and only 4 could hold under load. Both battery banks eventually had to be replaced with LFP batteries a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion

Hi Drake, Unfortunately yes this is becoming a common problem And worse there is really nothing you can do. Company is gone The new company that formed from the remains of Aquion has a new different battery which is different enough I’ve been told they are not compatible. And they are not

[RE-wrenches] Aquion

Hello Wrenches, A bank of Aquion batteries has 5 out of 8 that can not carry any load without dropping down to a couple of volts. One battery is leaking. Three batteries seem to be working. Has anyone experienced this before? Is massive failure common to Aquion battery banks? Thank you, D

[RE-wrenches] Aquion

Hi all, Does anyone know whether Aquion is still around and producing product with that unique saltwater electrolyte after being purchased for cheap cheap by Chinese investors three years ago? Thanks, marco Rebellion logo --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antiv

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion - Mix and Matching Layers

e a big loss both to our reputation and financial health. I recommend discussing the issues and replacing the entire bank. Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone -- Original message-- From: Lou Russo Date: Thu, May 9, 2019 11:53 AM To: RE-wrenches; Cc: Subject:[RE-wrenches] Aquion - Mix

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion - Mix and Matching Layers

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion - Mix and Matching Layers

sso > *Date: *Thu, May 9, 2019 11:53 AM > *To: *RE-wrenches; > *Cc: * > *Subject:*[RE-wrenches] Aquion - Mix and Matching Layers > > Wrenches, > > I am getting more and more call about orphaned Aquion systems that have > gone bad. Many of the systems have one or two "

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion - Mix and Matching Layers

entire bank.Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone-- Original message--From: Lou RussoDate: Thu, May 9, 2019 11:53 AMTo: RE-wrenches;Cc: Subject:[RE-wrenches] Aquion - Mix and Matching LayersWrenches,I am getting more and more call about orphaned Aquion systems that have gone bad. Many of the

[RE-wrenches] Aquion - Mix and Matching Layers

Wrenches, I am getting more and more call about orphaned Aquion systems that have gone bad. Many of the systems have one or two "layers" that have gone bad. Voltage spikes up to the 14-15V range while charging and cratering to zero if even the tiniest load is put on it (e.g. turning on a charge co

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

ote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:08:55 -0600 > From: Darryl Thayer > To: offgridso...@sti.net, newrewrenches > > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have used Si

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

smartphone Original message From: Darryl Thayer Date: 1/23/19 2:08 PM (GMT-08:00) To: offgridso...@sti.net, newrewrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries I have used Simphiphy.  Had a problem  over time nearly 2 years the cells were what appears to be out of balance.  I think

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

I have used Simphiphy. Had a problem over time nearly 2 years the cells were what appears to be out of balance. I think i balanced them by setting the charge voltage higher than recomended. I think the factory has it wrong On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 1:39 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar < offgridso..

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

Simplyphi does not have a built in method for Soc. The BMS works well but the install requires an energy monitor with a shunt. Too much work for me and my clients. Their batteries are too small at 3.5 kwh or so. If they changed the size up, and got Soc out to OUtback or Schneider I would use them.

[RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

Awhile back, it was mentioned that missmatched cell voltages could be corrected with a 6 volt charger attached to each low layer. I tried this on one and it worked. I have several stacks that have mostly even voltages with one cell over charged. Often 8 to 25 volts. Some showed the high voltage

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Testing

gt; *www.thesolarbiz.com <http://www.thesolarbiz.com>* > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches *On > Behalf Of *John Blittersdorf > *Sent:* Saturday, November 10, 2018 6:48 PM > *To:* RE-wrenches > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Testing > > > > Lou, I recently disc

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Testing

A: 507-836-5588 X 122 FAX: 520-844-8442 www.thesolarbiz.com From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of John Blittersdorf Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 6:48 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Testing Lou, I recently discovered that each layer can be checked for voltage. I had one b

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Testing

Lou, I recently discovered that each layer can be checked for voltage. I had one battery test lower than the rest. Looking at the battery closer, I found that my meter probe could get the voltage of each layer indivually. Through an opening in the case. The top layer had the reduced voltage outpu

[RE-wrenches] Aquion Testing

Aloha Wrenches, I have a orphaned system with 6 - Aquion Aspen 48Ss that is running out of energy nightly. This is a off-grid system with a Outback FP1. The logs from the Mate 3 do not show excess usage. Beyond testing the voltages of the individual stacks is there any way to check if a battery is

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion disposal

We had some random 6 volt tray failures from 48 volt Aspens as well, (making the whole stack look bad, but it was bad MC4 connections. So we just charged the low trays (6 volts) individually and brought them up. There does however seem to be poor series connections in the stacks and occasional

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion tech support

With the low discharge rate of the Aquion battery, it would have to be a larger bank to handle 6 Sunny Island inverters. To put out the 36kW to power those inverters at full rate you'd need at least 40 stacks at a good state of charge to do that. At lower state of charge or if they are the older ve

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion tech support

Hate to be an ass, but look in the mirror! There is NONE! The battery set point voltage w/ the SMA Aquion BM200 is ~57.5V UNLIKE all the other inverter manu’s suggestions of 59.8 V. Contact me off list if you want additional thoughts. TUMP > On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:31 PM, ga...@solarindependence.c

[RE-wrenches] Aquion tech support

I am scheduled to be going out to a site in a couple of weeks that is experiencing frequent shutdowns and I've offered to investigate why the shutdowns are occurring. The site is 208 3 phase with six Sunny Islands and Aquion batteries. I've got SMA tech support aware in case I need to talk with

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

sts.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Tump Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 1:13 PM To: <mailto:findso...@herzfeld.org>findso...@herzfeld.org; RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries  I have dual Sunny Islands & dual SB 4000TL22US  w/ 20 stack on one and another site w/ t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

FYI, Aquion just went BK . - Andrew "Don't get me wrong: I love nuclear energy! It's just that I prefer fusion to fission. And it just so happens that there's an enormous f

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

8-5600 *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Tump *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 1:13 PM *To:* findso...@herzfeld.org; RE-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries I have dual Sunny Islands & dual SB 4000TL22US w/ 20 stack

[RE-wrenches] Aquion BANKRUPT

As of today at ~ 3PM Aquion has closed up shop! Another reason NOT to use them! > t...@swnl.net > mailto:t...@swnl.net%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::mailto:t...@swnl.net> > www.SWNL.net > http://www.swnl.net/%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::http://www.swnl.net/> > Solarwinds Nort

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

Hi Tump, If you recall, this is EXACTLY what I was calling into question on this list back on November 11th, 2014 and again on Jan 29th, 2016. It looks like you have confirmed my suspicion. The battery can not possible provide the rated capacity. I hope others that have tested these batteries w

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

I have dual Sunny Islands & dual SB 4000TL22US w/ 20 stack on one and another site w/ the Aspen 48M w/ Schneider. I will say this; cost per amp hour of storage sucks w/ the Aquion batteries. Both my client and I feel, that the batteries, despite there size have very little capacity. The “30”%D

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

Drake, I just did my first Aquion Install on an off-grid second home. It is a 24V single VFX3524. 10 Aspen 24 volt stacks. No one has been living there since I installed it but at least the generator stopped running 2 or 3 times a day just to maintain the heating system. The generator hasn't

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

Has anyone worked with them with a Sunny Island? Space is not an issue for this client. Martin Herzfeld, IREC Certified Master Trainer ™ for PV Installation Professional #IREC 10037 California Solar Contractor License #00833782 C46, D56, D31, C-7 Solar, Trenching, Pole Installation & Maintenanc

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

We had a customer request them but once we found out how many it would take, he decided on the deka unigee instead. l dont like running my OB's at such a low voltage as they seem to get hotter due to the higher current. Some of our other product lines don't even reccomend aquions due to that low vo

[RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

Hello Wrenches, I have a client who is going to take the plunge and buy a set of Aquion Batteries. They look pretty good on paper, but I'm not sure how well an inverter would function at the 40 V minimum. Does anyone have experience to recommend them or warn against using them? Thanks, Drak

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

Hi folks. Tim Wood of Aquion asked me to post this on his behalf. Early versions of the Aquion battery had substantially lower continuous and peak power ratings.  Very few made their way out into the field however some did and we believe the concerns expressed on the board are related to those e

[RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

Our utility wanted to add a new capacity and demand charge to all solar customers' bills. And the new California Public Utilities Commission decision on net metering included a mandate for new solar installs to join Time of Use pricing by 2019. This seems to be the trend that many grid connected PV

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Dan Fink Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:52 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries I second Larry's concerns about Aquion's SOC/voltage curves and tripping LVD at only 40

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

That new chart is for a single block, but we would want the M100 or M110 which is 12 of those S30 blocks connected together (580 AH @ 20 hr rate). I haven't tried them, but I penciled out the ROI and at 3000 cycles they stand up well against other lead acid batteries. 40 v is low, but I believ

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

Thanks Dana. The new curves don’t look much better. Look at the space between the curves and realize that they are only 2A load difference. If we extrapolate to 17 amps the capacity will be greatly reduced. They need to show what the voltage sag is under full 680 Watt load. Has anyone actually

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

I second Larry's concerns about Aquion's SOC/voltage curves and tripping LVD at only 40% DOD with standard PV equipment, tied in with not being able to handle high discharge C-rates and surge loads. I did some math on running a typical off-grid home with a well pump on Aquions, and it wasn't pretty

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries, Was LiFePO4

Wrenches We were looking at these “Aquion batteries” but once we compared the power, voltage operating range and storage of the Unigy vs the Aquion we went with the Unigy brand the volt range worked normally no changes to the LBCO setings. I have Unigy applications going back close to 15 years with

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries

I too am interested in anyone that has installed these. I had some concerns back on Nov 10, 2014. Here is a copy/past from that conversation: Something does not add up to me. The cell has a voltage discharge curve way outside that of RE equipment, 1.75 Vpc down to 0.5Vpc. I can't see how this t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Batteries, Was LiFePO4

To All, Great insight on the lithium movement. I do am looking for anyone dealing with the new Aquion batteries. I’ve got a couple of potential clients that have inquired about them. Saw them at a NABCEP training session last spring and while the idea is moving I wasn’t impressed. P

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Energy

Wrenches We did research on this battery going back close to two years, we found that there was an unusable part of the battery capacity that was to far out of range to consider refer to the charts from Aquion, also look at the mass or space required. I do like the idea but the "cupcake" holder has

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Energy

lease consider the environment before printing this email. -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mark Frye Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 6:20 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Energy Does anyone have any thoug

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Energy

Hi gang. In the footer of every post is a link to the archive, which has a pretty fast searching feature. If you have any questions, please contact me off-list jarmo.venalai...@schneider-electric.com wrote at 09:03 AM 7/16/2015:   Michael, is there a method by which we can do a keyword search of

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Energy

Gilmore Way, Burnaby, BC V5G4M1 *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail From: Mark Frye To: RE-wrenches , Date: 07/16/2015 05:20 AM Subject: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Energy Sent by: "RE-wrenches" Does anyone have any thoughts/experience with the Aqu

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Energy

Aloha All, We have been integrating Aquion Energy batteries into select Off Grid homes for just over a year now, with great success. The key is designing them for what they are, and not as if they were a lead acid battery. The biggest added design criteria is taking into consideration their power

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion Energy

Hi Mark, There was some discussion back in November 2014 on this list. They claim 100% DoD but I can’t see how you can use the full capacity of the battery due to the broad operating voltage. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Jul 16, 2015, at 5:20 AM, Mark Frye wrote: Does an

[RE-wrenches] Aquion Energy

Does anyone have any thoughts/experience with the Aquion Energy battery? Mark Frye Berkeley Solar Electric Systems ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion batteries - batteries in general

Bill & Jerry, Thanks for the updated intel on lead acid battery recycling. I hope the Aquions turn out to be an awesome product. If I ever get a set installed I'll report back : ). Cheers, Greg Egan Remote Power Inc. NABCEP Solar Installation Professional Alaska #00106064 Journeyman Electr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion batteries - batteries in general

essy > Berks Solar, LLC > 371 Centennial Rd > Mertztown, PA 19539 > > o 610 682 4300 > c 484 560 4666 > NABCEP certified installer > PA contractor #44411 > www.berkssolar.com > > ---------- > *From:* Greg > *To:* re-wrenches@lists.re-wr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aquion batteries - batteries in general

essy Berks Solar, LLC 371 Centennial Rd Mertztown, PA 19539 o 610 682 4300 c 484 560 4666 NABCEP certified installer PA contractor #44411 www.berkssolar.com From: Greg To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:56 PM Subject: [RE-wrenches] Aquion batteri

[RE-wrenches] Aquion batteries - batteries in general

Marco and all wrenches, Thanks for the cost /benefit comparison on batteries. We need batteries that won't freeze easily. Even if the cost was the same we'd need to know more about the Aquions before we could risk installing them in the North. I need a fact check from someone on Lead Acids

[RE-wrenches] Aquion Energy Batteries.

Hey Kirpal, I have one of their ~ 22 kWh stacks in my warehouse….looking for a good home. It cost $12,000, including shipping, to get it from PA. to Hawaii. On paper, it looks quite impressive; 3,000 cycles @ 100 percent DOD, which assumes that whatever inverter is used has the DC volt