Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-30 Thread Jason Szumlanski
You're talking to the people who have those rare skills. Unfortunately, we're all working for ourselves, not each other! (let's go ahead and pat ourselves on the back) We've found some success taking people from other disciplines in trade schools. At least they are in "learn mode" and have done so

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-30 Thread Michael Morningstar
Having gone through a traditional five year electrical apprenticeship, almost thirty years ago, and working as a foreman on large industrial projects, I came to know hundreds and hundreds of apprentices. Some were fresh out of high school while others were making a mid-life career change. There

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-30 Thread Ray Walters
Hi Luke; I would say that the ability to think is the primary attribute I'm looking for, and the difference between an apprentice and a laborer. It is indeed rare. Most folks really just don't soak up much of the knowledge we're trying to pass on, either due to lack of interest or lack of b

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-30 Thread Luke Christy
Since we're pretty far down the road of throwing out traits that define the mythic ideal employee/apprentice, I'm going to add what I think is one of the most important (and probably most difficult to find) traits, which is the ability to THINK (preferably quickly) on one's feet to solve a prob

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-29 Thread Richard L Ratico
Ray, In VT and NH, at least, electrical apprenticeships are defined and regulated by the state. Apprentices must be registered and enrolled in approved formal coursework as well as meet specific employment requirements for paid, hands on work in the field. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-28 Thread Ray Walters
I don't understand; are there legal reasons to not call it an apprenticeship? (sounds like indentured servitude?) When I got started in the biz, I would have loved to been offered an apprenticeship. Instead, I went out in the woods while my family suffered through my well intentioned, but

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-28 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
May I please add 1) Must know the difference between AC and DC. 2) Must be able to identify what each prong is when shown an AC plug. boB On 4/28/2015 6:35 PM, Dan Fink wrote: Esteemed Wrenches: I teach hands-on /Intro to PV/ and/Intro to Solar Therma/l at a 2-year technical colle

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-28 Thread Chris Mason
I think you should describe the job as a trainee. You can do anything you want after that. Just don't call it an apprenticeship. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Ray Walters wrote: > Hi Bob; > > That's an excellent point. I'm trying to figure out what is a fair > arrangement: 4 years of traini

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-28 Thread Dan Fink
Esteemed Wrenches: I teach hands-on *Intro to PV* and* Intro to Solar Therma*l at a 2-year technical college in Denver. Some of my students are on track to be field installers or designers (and will take more advanced classes next term), while others are focusing more on green building, LEED, sust

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-28 Thread Ray Walters
Hi Bob; That's an excellent point. I'm trying to figure out what is a fair arrangement: 4 years of training is worth quite a sum of money vs. 4 years of labor in the off grid mines. Straight up $10/ hr and I'll train them for as long as they can be trained with raises as they reach milestones

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-28 Thread Bob-O Schultze
An apprenticeship is the original 4 year degree. If the trainers are good, high quality workpersons, and the apprentice WANTS to learn, the apprentice will learn the trade. It's exactly the same in a college situation except that the newly minted journeyman, unlike a college graduate, will actua

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-17 Thread Chris Mason
The US currently puts little value on craft versus academia, now everyone smart is expected to go to college. Consequently there is a stigma on vocational education. When I did my electrical apprenticeship in Ireland, we did two years of college, one year of training school and one year in the fi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-17 Thread Ray Walters
1988" *P*Please consider the environment before printing this email. *From:*RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Ray Walters *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 2:53 PM *To:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview Hi All; Than

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-17 Thread Dana
sible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" P Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Ray Walters Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 2:53 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [R

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-17 Thread Ray Walters
Hi All; Thanks for the replies so far; I apologize for my misunderstood attempt at humor in my initial post. I agree with Chris here, I hire contract labor all the time, but an apprenticeship is different. Laborers top out pretty quickly and just aren't capable of learning the nuances of of

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-17 Thread Glenn Burt
lto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 8:23 AM To: d...@solarwork.com; RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview I'm not sure how the term is used in America, but generally "apprentice" does not mean cheap

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-17 Thread Chris Mason
I'm not sure how the term is used in America, but generally "apprentice" does not mean cheap labour. An apprentice program should be an education path to a qualification with state recognized standards, such as Electrician or Plumber. if you just want inexpensive labour, that's not an apprentice, t

[RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

2015-04-16 Thread Dana
I interview & definitely check references including: look at a tape measure and tell me what those little marks are between 0 & 1”, & I look in their truck or car. If it’s clean they may take care of your vehicle then same and if it’s a mess that’s what you can expect them to do to your truck.