Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX-60 - Li-ion charging

2021-12-01 Thread larrycrutcher
Steve reminded me of something, probably because it is not very common. If you are recharging at 1C or greater rates, the Absorb cycle will need to be longer if you want to return all energy to the battery. Example: For a 300AH battery, 1C would be 300 Amps or over 16kW for a 48V bank. Since i

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX-60 - Li-ion charging

2021-12-01 Thread larrycrutcher
boB, Yes, the Absorb timer in the FM and MX determine maximum CV time. From FM manual: While the batteries are held at this voltage, the ChgT counter in the Misc menu counts up from zero toward the user-defined Absorb Time Limit. (See pages 44 and 49.) The charger will exit this stage and ente

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX-60 - Li-ion charging

2021-12-01 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
Thanks Larry. The information to stop when absorb voltage was reached is like, 10 or more years old and so I don't know if that voltage reach and stop charging algorithm is still used by any BMS's. This is probably why we had to add a logic input to tell the controller to stop charging from

[RE-wrenches] Large lithium chargers

2021-12-01 Thread Jay
I got a call from a colleague that is designing a very large roughly 90-100 kWh lithium battery at 48v. He’s looking for large AC chargers to charge this bank. The reason is total elimination of switch over delay from inverter to generator and back. One technique is to use inverters for this,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX-60 - Li-ion charging

2021-12-01 Thread larrycrutcher
If you stop charging a Li-ion battery when the CV (absorb voltage) is reached, you may reduce or stop the needed cell balancing time. We have had customers develop unbalanced series cells from continuous undercharging. Because of internal cell resistance, one cell will always reach saturation be

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX-60

2021-12-01 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
Depends on the requirement for the BMS. Usually, but not 100% always, the requirement is to get the voltage up to "absorb" and then stop charging. Just set the min and max  times very low, like 1 minute and that should satisfy that one. I do not remember if the MX60 had a Re-Bulk  setting

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX-60

2021-12-01 Thread frenergy
boB,             Interesting...Sounds like this is not a candidate for L-ion batteries. Bill On 11/30/2021 10:47 PM, b...@midnitesolar.com wrote: Hi Bill As I remember, the min is of course... Minimum time in Absorb. Max is maximum time in absorb but depended on how long it took to ge

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid Shutdown Control for a System for a Multimode System Adding an Array to a Subpanel in Garage - Update

2021-12-01 Thread Christopher Warfel
Yesterday, I was able to upload firmware to the Mate 3s, and the GS4048 and program it for AC coupling.  I did not realize a firmware update would shut down the inverter (makes sense that it does), so that was a bit of a surprise, but all in all it went very well.  The Mate3s firmware was out o