Re: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT units; Adding battery backup

2011-11-09 Thread Jeff Clearwater
Hi Wrenchies, Yes and if you use a GENTRAN or equivalent circuit-by-circuit transfer switch add-on for the output from the offgrid inverter to your AC panel - then there is no need for a separate dedicated AC loads panel and rewire like in Larry's original drawing. I've used this trick for y

Re: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT units; Adding battery backup

2011-11-09 Thread Darryl Thayer
this is a 240 volt transfer switch and also shown is a 600 volt safety switch single pole single throw From: "maver...@mavericksolar.com" To: RE-wrenches Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT units; Adding batte

Re: [RE-wrenches] What inverter? (was Faulty PM-60 circuit board)

2011-11-09 Thread Darryl Thayer
I think you shoud go with Solar Edge, and modules optimizers From: William Miller To: RE-wrenches Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] What inverter? (was Faulty PM-60 circuit board) Joel: 24 Enphase M190s. William Miller A

Re: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT units; Adding battery backup

2011-11-09 Thread maver...@mavericksolar.com
I googled "600 volt switch dual throw" and found a cutler-hammer DT363URK. From http://www.alliedelec.com/Images/Products/Datasheets/BM/EATON_CUTLER_HAMMER/416-0447.PDF Not sure if it carries a DC rating all the way to 600v. Thank you, Maverick Maverick Brown BSEET, NABCEP Certified S

Re: [RE-wrenches] Canadian Solar "blemish"

2011-11-09 Thread Exeltech
Difficult to tell exactly what's up from the photo. Gives the impression an object (e.g. hailstone) struck the PV at the "lower center" of the cell on the left.  The impact didn't break the tempered glass, but was sufficient mechanical shock to fracture the two cells shown.  I've got an old Siemen

Re: [RE-wrenches] Canadian Solar "blemish"

2011-11-09 Thread maver...@mavericksolar.com
I have seen this pattern twice. 1. Lightning strike near the array. But the canals are bright white or deep black. I have two of those panels for testing and they still work sorta. 2. A bad batch of EVA or an over-cooked batch of EVA during assembly perhaps. Of course, the photo does not lend

Re: [RE-wrenches] What inverter? (was Faulty PM-60 circuit board)

2011-11-09 Thread maver...@mavericksolar.com
Joel, That is the fork in the road... To battery-backup or to Not Battery-backup... That is question. If you decide to battery-backup, then the SW is still sweet until it just dies. Any day now... You could switch to a Outback GVFX 3648 or XW 6048 and keep going battery-backup. If the fork i

Re: [RE-wrenches] Canadian Solar "blemish"

2011-11-09 Thread William Dorsett
That one almost looks like a hot spot. If magnification could turn encapsulant brown, I would wonder if you shot the temperature on it, if it might not be quite a bit hotter than the rest of the cell. Bill Dorsett Sunwrights Manhattan, KS -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists

Re: [RE-wrenches] Canadian Solar "blemish"

2011-11-09 Thread mark
I sold a lot of the Carrizo panels and saw this effect a time or two.No broken cells, just this pattern in front of the cell.  If I remember correctly, the pattern appeared to be "canals" of air in the encapsulate.  Far fetched or not, I'm going to guess that a cobweb fell on the glass before the c

Re: [RE-wrenches] What inverter? (was Faulty PM-60 circuit board)

2011-11-09 Thread William Miller
Joel: 24 Enphase M190s. William Miller At 09:33 AM 11/9/2011, you wrote: Wrenches, After telling my customer to upgrade to an MPPT charge controller (thanks Ray Walters and John Blittersdorf), he decided to really optimize his PV array and retire his Trace SW4048 inverter. He has 48 Siemen

Re: [RE-wrenches] Canadian Solar "blemish"

2011-11-09 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Oops. My picture is of a blemished Evergreen 210. I saw the orange substance on your picture and thought that is what you were referring to. ...My Bad. Larry On Nov 9, 2011, at 1:41 PM, penobscotso...@midmaine.com wrote: > Hello all, > We have a customer who has acquired, over the last ten

Re: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT units; Adding battery backup

2011-11-09 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Right a major rewire and many components...and sacrifices. The Outback is limited to 30 amps AC and cost much more than you would need to spend. With my idea you just add a transfer switchDone. When the grid is down, PV feeds HV CC. Then you can use ANY size inverter, with or without a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Canadian Solar "blemish"

2011-11-09 Thread penobscotsolar
Thanks for that Allan, I should add that there does not appear to be any cracking of the cell to the customer when compared to non-effected cells. It is just that strange "shape" ,"shading" , "design" underneath the glass on that particular panel and cellsthis is according to the customer, w

Re: [RE-wrenches] Canadian Solar "blemish"

2011-11-09 Thread Kent Osterberg
I agree with Allan that this looks like cracked cells. As long as the conductors on the top and bottom remain intact, there will be little if any degradation in the output. But the conductors are under more stress than normal and with daily thermal cycling they may break which could leave piece

Re: [RE-wrenches] Canadian Solar "blemish"

2011-11-09 Thread Allan Sindelar
Daryl, Before offering my opinion, I'll note that it's only that, and I'd hope to learn from others with more knowledge of PV cell structure than I have. Given that, it appears to me that the silicon wafers that make up these cells are extensively cracked. It likely will

Re: [RE-wrenches] What inverter? (was Faulty PM-60 circuit board)

2011-11-09 Thread Joel Davidson
Hello Ray, He has had almost no utility power outages since he got his PV system in 2001. By going batteryless, his dc-to-ac conversion efficiency and kWh production should increase by over 15%. He has not decided if he wants to keep the SW4048 and float charge his batteries with the grid for

Re: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT units; Adding battery backup

2011-11-09 Thread Drake
Any amount of power will AC couple. If you use an off grid inverter, such as an Outback, to feed the protected load panel, the inverter should be fed by grid AC power to supply loads, when the grid is available. Just feed your grid tie inverter into the protected loads panel. You will ne

[RE-wrenches] Canadian Solar "blemish"

2011-11-09 Thread penobscotsolar
Hello all, We have a customer who has acquired, over the last ten years or so, a large array with several different makes and models of panels, all installed by a qualified electrician and the customer. They have done an excellent job as far as self installed systems go. He just sent me a pic

Re: [RE-wrenches] What inverter? (was Faulty PM-60 circuit board)

2011-11-09 Thread Ray Walters
He doesn't want battery backup? Ray On 11/9/2011 10:33 AM, Joel Davidson wrote: Wrenches, After telling my customer to upgrade to an MPPT charge controller (thanks Ray Walters and John Blittersdorf), he decided to really optimize his PV array and retire his Trace SW4048 inverter. He has 48

[RE-wrenches] What inverter? (was Faulty PM-60 circuit board)

2011-11-09 Thread Joel Davidson
Wrenches, After telling my customer to upgrade to an MPPT charge controller (thanks Ray Walters and John Blittersdorf), he decided to really optimize his PV array and retire his Trace SW4048 inverter. He has 48 Siemens SP75 modules (67.5 W DC PTC) that are ground mounted in full sun and easy t

Re: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT units; Adding battery backup

2011-11-09 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Nice Find, Drake! Thanks. What is the minimum system for an AC coupled inverter? Again, the idea is for low cost battery backup of an existing grid tie. The AC coupled schematics I have looked at require a major rewire and many components. I would like to hear if someone has a simple add on s

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Re: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT units

2011-11-09 Thread Drake
I vote for the AC coupled system. But if you need to make a 600 VDC transfer switch, I think you could likely make one from Tyco relays and voltage controlled relays. http://relays.te.com/datasheets/ev200.pdf At 03:16 PM 11/7/2011, you wrote: Ray, Yes, the idea was for a low cost way to a