[RE-wrenches] voltage regulation - was utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Antony Tersol
The SMUD paper on testing from the MicroPlanet site says the following, but I couldn't find other reference to the PV inverter in a quick read: "In 2004 SMUD ran a series of tests on MicroPlanet Ltd.’s High Voltage Regulator (HVR) at its photovoltaic test laboratory at Rancho Seco. Using a dedicat

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar 12 volt DC lighting for school in Haiti

2009-08-17 Thread Walt Ratterman
Hello Lee, Walt here. I will be leaving for Haiti in about a week, and be there for three…. We have done lots of schools. If you are strictly 12V, your choices primarily are 12V CF and LED lights. There are lots of pros and cons to both. The real question is what you intend to us

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter, The excursion time depends on how high the excursion is. There is a longer grace period for being just above or below the limits to allow for inverters to ride through normal transients. However, beyond that are some very short timeframes for excessive transients and large excursions. There

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar 12 volt DC lighting for school in Haiti

2009-08-17 Thread Allan Sindelar
Lee, Consider 3W LED floodlight fixtures. Talk with Doug Atkins of Quad Energy, 713-992-2884, dou...@yahoo.com. His LED wide-angle floodlights are sold through Real Goods and directly to dealers as well. He sent me one and it is well made and reasonably priced. The low draw of the LEDs allow you t

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Marv Dargatz
IEEE1547 totally changed the way the utility protective functions are specified. For line voltage, the old UL1741 and IEEE1547 have the same table but the requirement is different.  Here is the table: Under 1741, the inverter had to trip off at less than the stated voltage (for the high t

[RE-wrenches] Solar 12 volt DC lighting for school in Haiti

2009-08-17 Thread Lee Bristol
Can anyone recommend lights for a school in Haiti. I am going there in a couple of months to install a 12 volt solar PV system and need to illuminate seven 16 x 20 foot school rooms. I am so confused by all of the light bulb options, base options, CFL vs LED, what wattage is required, etc. I wou

Re: [RE-wrenches] Limited broadband (was Seasonal Adjusters)

2009-08-17 Thread Bruce Geddes
Hi Travis, Apology accepted with relief :-) I'm a happy camper. If I need something (product brochure, manual etc) I take a trip into town to an internet cafe with my laptop. Usually the speed there is not great (depends on the number of users at any time) but it is the only practical option.

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Drake Chamberlin
t. Seems to me, we have to have a peak reading voltmeter or something equivalent. Absolutely. Been there before on a Sunny Boy system with high line voltage. Drake Chamberlin Athens Electric OH License 44810 CO License 3773 NABCEP TM Certified PV Installer Office - 740-448-7328 Mobile - 74

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Steve Lawrence
I've run into this issue as well. I always keep the inverters as close to the main service panel as possible to minimize voltage problems on the AC side. The vast majority of AC voltage problems I have are when the inverters are far away from the house, and even though the wire might be oversized

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Jeff Irish
Peter, Yes, grid impedance is another variable, and one that we can not easily control. The impedance looking into the grid can be high due to loose connections or undersized conductors or both. In some cases we've had to have the utility out to check their pole top and meter connections. >From

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Peter Parrish
One thing I have read during this thread, is the voltage rise at the inverter output required to "sell to the grid". I have heard all sorts of numbers from "less than a volt RMS" to "2-3 volts". As an engineer, I would expect the number to depend on the AC current being exported and the impedance o

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Bill Brooks
All, If you are looking for voltage regulators that can be placed on a home or business, check out www.microplanet.com. They are selling these around the world for energy efficiency purposes. Bring high voltage down makes equipment run more efficiently and keeps the PV system from tripping. I'm no

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Bill Brooks
William and others, The standard requirement in IEEE929 and IEEE1547 that is tested in UL1741 is +10%/-12%. Admittedly, some utilities, particularly in more rural areas, may get close to these limits at times. Just for a little history lesson that very few people know about, this happens to be a v

[RE-wrenches] FYI - SATCON

2009-08-17 Thread Dana
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Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Joel Davidson
Correction: 4 KV - Original Message - From: "Joel Davidson" To: "RE-wrenches" Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues Hello William, SCE has some 4kVA long, skinny feeders that get voltage sag during high usage periods (August

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have a customer near the end of the line, and they have large voltage problems. They have an outback system, and when the voltage drops the inverter drops the grid and picks up the critical circuits. I saw this as a real problem where once or twice a day the system would run on battery and s

Re: [RE-wrenches] Seasonal Adjusters

2009-08-17 Thread Bruce Geddes
Pretty close Allan, but mountains, sheep and mountains! Cheers, Bruce - Original Message - From: Allan Sindelar To: 'RE-wrenches' Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Seasonal Adjusters Yeah, Travis, there are "excuses", dude. In the current iss

Re: [RE-wrenches] Seasonal Adjusters

2009-08-17 Thread Travis Creswell
Please accept my apology not being aware of your unique situation and realize that my tone was based on what I interpreted on an unnecessarily less the friendly tone towards the poster of the pictures. On a side note, I imagine the wrenches list is the least of your internet problems. How in t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Seasonal Adjusters

2009-08-17 Thread Bruce Geddes
Thanks for the tip William. I am using MS Windows Mail on Vista and I can not see any option for that action in the setups. Maybe it is hidden somewhere. I am investigating another satellite BB option that has recently come available but until they come out to check I don't know if it is going

Re: [RE-wrenches] Seasonal Adjusters

2009-08-17 Thread Bruce Geddes
I am not going to get personal but sometimes people in the USA forget there is the rest of teh world out there and it is not as well serviced as their own patch. Just to paint the picture, I live in a valley with a mountain blocking access to the only satellite currently available for broadband