Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-09 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Because the other 3 are stiffer and harder to pedal, unless operated at their design conditions, e.g B & C need a 73 to 75 lbm additional load. John HawrylakWoodstown NJ On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:42:09 PM EST, Bill Lindsay wrote: OK, thought experiment time!   You have to buil

Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-12 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
P Moore asked:   "what besides tubing stiffness might make a main triangle stiff or stable?" Frame size:  small frames are stiffer than large frames. John HawrylakWoodstown NJ On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:48:14 AM EST, Patrick Moore wrote: And yet that very light 531 normal gauge

Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-12 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
A 1010 steel frame would typically be a thicker tube gauge than a 531 frame, since it has a lower tensile strength.   Since the majority of frames of this period used 1" diameter TT and 1-1/8" diameter DT, the thicker tube gauge results in a stiffer frame of the same frame size.   It would be i

Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-12 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Responding to Bill L's 2nd thought experiment, here's my quick $0.02 (can't find the cent key) Is Cyclist A's bike fast?  It's as fast they like it to be.  They report 'happy' not necessarily fast Is the magical encouragement claimed by Cyclist B all in their head?No, with the initial gearing,

Re: [RBW] Re: Low q, low range 2x cranks

2024-01-14 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Adam You might want to verify with VO about the actual Q of their 50.4 crank.  They list a 144mm Q with a 118mm BB.  I exchanged emails with one member on the iBob list using the VO 50.4 crank and measured a 141.5mm Q with a 110mm BB.   This would indicated the Q stated by VO for their 50.4mm c

Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-14 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
The discussion made me think about the various factors., especially Bill L's undergearing comments In my case, I went from a touring style frame with 7 speeds wide range gearing (13-34) to a thin wall frame with 9 speeds wide range gearing (12-36).   While the 2 extra gears dont seem like much,

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

2024-01-14 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Yes, that is what I remember.  I dont know if the lady still has the podcast.   She had a shop in Cleveland, so if someone is from the area, maybe they can chime in.    She also said if you feel like you want to push yourself back on the saddle, your distance to the bars is too great.  Counteri

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

2024-01-14 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Chris made some good points.   I am not justifying a heavy bike, merely pointing out what you can expect if you take that trip & 'go down the rabbit hole' wrt to reducing frame weight and overall weight including the rims/tires.  You may not get your kicks on Rt 66 ('when you take that CA trip.

[RBW] Re: Which is the best frame size for me? Pictures

2022-10-22 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
I would say which ever one fits you better wrt saddle to bar distance. I would think the AHH has a slightly longer TT than the Romulus since it is a larger frame. The picture shows the Romulus have a shorter saddle to bar distance and a shorter TTL (from the frame pumps). Is the stem length

[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

2022-10-24 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Matt Have you considered a 1986 to 1990 Schwinn World Sport or 1986/87 Traveler Step Thrus or a 1984 to 1987 Schwinn LeTour Step Thru?? The Step thru looks like a Betty but without the extra set of stays behind the TT/ST lug, scan of 1985 Schwinn catalog of a World Sport step thru Schwinn cat

[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

2022-10-24 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Matt The World Sport used 1020 stays. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 10:27:06 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote: > Matt > > Have you considered a 1986 to 1990 Schwinn World Sport or 1986/87 Traveler > Step Thrus or a 1984 to 1987 Schwinn LeTour Step Thru?? The Step thru

[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

2022-10-27 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Matt Looks of good choices were mentioned. All were long trail frames and the Rivendells were the only frames with 'relaxed' frame angles, placing you further back. Here is an estimate of the costs for each:

[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

2022-10-28 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Matt Soma has a 20% sale until 10/30/22 if you are considering their Buena Vista mixte F/F. The coupon code is "fall20" John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 3:00:06 PM UTC-4 mmille...@gmail.com wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. Sh

Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

2022-10-28 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Scott AFAIK RBW had stated in the newsletter that they do not want to open the box just to check it sicne they need to ship it in another box. One can see their logic, especially since they are handling many more frames than 5 years ago, and can't/don't have the time to check them or feel the

Re: [RBW] Betty Foy Sizing & Search

2022-10-28 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
The price looks very good if the 2 racks are included. A 55 may be too big for Matt's wife John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:20:51 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote: > Here’s a 55cm Betty Foy in Santa Barbara... > > > [image: 00N0N_24mfIhCIO8Bz_0pO0jm_600x450.jpg] > >

[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Ride

2022-11-17 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Joe What is the Seat Tube Angle of your custom?? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:41:41 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: > This is an edited version of an email I recently sent Grant, I wanted to > post here cuz I think the magical Riv ride he designs into these frame

Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Ride

2022-11-18 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Rich Can you share the STA, OD and wall thickness of the main tubes and the trail for the Mercian?? Curious as to how they compare to your Rivendells. I looked at the Mercian 15 years ago and they are very nice frames/forks. The price was good even at the exchange rate then. Might be bette

[RBW] Re: FS: "Estate Sale" of components and gear, part deux

2022-11-20 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
PM sent for the D/A hubs John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 11:40:58 AM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com wrote: > Howdy again, > > > Here’s part two of my massive “estate sale”, in order to clear everything > out for my family’s upcoming cross-Pacific move in the spring. Big th

[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Ride

2022-11-23 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Nick Interesting comparison between the Open and the Rivendell. Are you using seatposts with the same amount of seatpost setback on the Romulus and the Open???The STA for a 61cm/Large frame are very close Romulus 72° - Open 71.5° Also, do you notice any difference in handling/rid

Re: [RBW] Haul'in the Goods with MouseTraps and Trailers

2022-11-26 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
beater city > Sprite to carry 2 Wald basket panniers was the most flexible rack I've ever > used; I recall literally being unable to ride a straight line with heavily > loaded rear baskets. Fortunately my return trip from the grocery store was > only about 1/2 mile. &g

[RBW] SunTour Rachet Bar Ends shifting a Modern RD - Need to Trim??

2022-11-27 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
IF I use my 1975 Suntour Bar End Ratcheted shifters with a modern Shimano RD (Deroe M531) and a Shimano 7 speed HG cassette, and modern Shimano shifter cables/housings, WILL the RD shift each gear going from the smallest cog to the largest cog, WITHOUT the need to ‘trim’ the RD after each sh

Re: [RBW] SunTour Rachet Bar Ends shifting a Modern RD - Need to Trim??

2022-11-29 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Ted Thanks very much for the detailed explanation and 25mm of cable pull for the SunTour barcons Did you measure the RD ratio's or are they a published value somewhere?? Do you happen to know the ratio for a Shimano Deore M-591-SGS?? I have this with a Shimano 9sp road cassette (4.34mm cog sp

Re: [RBW] SunTour Rachet Bar Ends shifting a Modern RD - Need to Trim??

2022-11-29 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Scott Thanks for the suggestion. Others have stated the barcons have enough pull for Shimano 9 speed and the M591 is definitely 9 speed. Also, I am quite happy with my drivetrain choices for the 650B-38's I'm using 12-36 Shimano CS-HG-400, 12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36 46-36-26 triple gives me

Re: [RBW] SunTour Rachet Bar Ends shifting a Modern RD - Need to Trim??

2022-11-29 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Ted thanks for the confirmation on the barcons with Shimano 9 speed. Looks like the Shimano 9sp Rd's have a ratio of about 1.72. I got the 4.34mm cog spacing from the Shimano exploded view drawing of a 2.56mm spacer and 1.78mm cog for a 9 speed cassette. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Tuesday

[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

2022-12-01 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
2 stand outs on this batch of Sam H's from the geo chart: The seatpost is a 26.8mm, NOT a more standard 27.2mm. This indicates the 28.6mm seattube wall thickness is 0.8mm vs a more standard 0.7. The Butted section wall is probably 1.1mm or thicker. Seems like Grant likes thicker walls at

[RBW] Re: First Ride of the Platypus

2022-12-01 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
David P Excellent description of your different hand positions & back angles on the Rosco bar. By far, the best write-up, I have ever saw. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:27:05 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote: > This morning I squeezed a quick ride in before work - a dan

[RBW] Re: Front Derailer Adjustment

2022-12-03 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Doug It sounds like the FD does not move far enough to the inside to shift to the granny of a triple with the low adjustment screw all the way out. A possibility is your FD is designed for a front chain line greater than you actual front chain line. FD have about 20mm of sideway motion and i

[RBW] Re: Saddle height and BPH

2022-12-14 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Jay The most accurate SH would be using a gonimeter to measure your leg angle and adjust SH to get the optimum leg angle (I forgot the value). The bike is bike is on a trainer and the front wheel is leveled. The gonimeter measures the leg angle at the bottom of the pedal stroke. Typically

[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-13 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Nitto M186 STI, 80mm reach & 122mm drop Nitto M151AAF, 78mm reach & 128mm drop Nitto Neat MOD 104, 65mm reach & 140mm drop Raech/Drop are C-C dimensions John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: > Is there any bar t

[RBW] Re: Help me "Riv" my bike fit, Please!

2023-01-22 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
No offense, but your current bike could be a Riv poster child for the 'racer look' vs the 'Riv look', bars much lower than saddle vs bars at or above saddle height (<= 2" above). The Sam uses a quill stem, so you can adjust the quill height. To replicate the fit on your existing bike, get a qu

[RBW] Re: Help me "Riv" my bike fit, Please!

2023-01-24 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Dave I sent you PM with an Excel file to help you select the correct stem length John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:42:15 AM UTC-5 Davey Two Shoes wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I'm building up a Sam Hillborne and this is my first Riv build. I'm not > sure where to start with

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Makeover Thread

2023-10-15 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Ok, I understand Moving the saddle back increases the saddle to bar distance by about 2.5cm.  This indicates the frame/stem/bar combination was too SHORT. Then, You cut 1 cm from the bars.  This increased the saddle to bar distance, indicating the frame/stem/bar combination was too SHORT, but is

RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Bill Good challenge, what I was thinking is what problem with bikes is the long C/S solving? I thought it was a straight forward question. I suggest eliminate “in bike design” and problems or current deficiencies refer to the current bikes available.Another way of saying it is what

RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Bill Good challenge, what I was thinking is what problem with bikes is the long C/S solving? I thought it was a straight forward question. I suggest eliminate “in bike design” and pro

RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

2024-03-31 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
ells are not in that group. In order to be allowed to exist a Rivendell must either conform with the first group’s designs or solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bikes. Is that it? BL in EC On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 3:43 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bun

[RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

2020-04-13 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Clark Great report and a very nice build from the photos. You mentioned the Atlantis climbs better than your other bikes. Any ideas or reasons why this is so?? I noticed all MIT Atlantis have a 72° STA and with your 89cm PBH, a 1° slacker STA (from 73° to 72°) results in a 1.3cm increase in

[RBW] Pedal Strikes when Turning

2020-04-15 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Past and current Rivendell models with 700C wheels have Bottom Bracket Drops (BBD) in the 75 to 80 mm range. The exceptions seem to be: GusBothWilson at 70mm, Legalos at 70mm, and Quickbeam at 73mm. Is it common to have pedal strikes while turning?? Perhaps, you avoid pedaling when turning or

[RBW] Re: Pedal Strikes when Turning

2020-04-15 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
James Thanks for the clarification. This was what I was looking for, but probably did not ask too well. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 3:15:10 PM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles wrote: > > Crit bikes have high BB's because you need to pedal thru turns. Riv style > f

[RBW] Re: Ghost shifting on the Clem

2020-04-19 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Wayne was the 'stiff link' a link you inserted the pin into or was it just a random pin on the chain?? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails fro

[RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

2020-04-29 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joe Great out of the box choice in picking a red contrasting head tube. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owne

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

2020-05-07 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joe Beautiful frame/fork and very nice build. Do you know the upslope angle of the Top Tube??? Looks fairly steep, almost as much as a mixte. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscri

[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview

2020-05-07 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Doug You stated: "BTW, you only need 8 gears per Grant." I remember back around 1999, when 9 speed was everything" Grant saying 7 speeds is all you need. Did not believe it at first. After riding an 88 Schwinn Voyaguer for 8 years with a 7 speed 13-34 cassette and a 46-36-36 triple, I'm a

[RBW] Re: bike recs for my son

2020-05-07 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
23" Schwinn Voyaguer from 1984 to 1989. Designed as a Touring bike with all the frame attachments and forks with low rider attachments. Columbus Tenax tubing and CroMo stays and forks. 126mm OLD rear. Disclaimer, I have a 88 Voyaguer, no real complaints. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Tu

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Same shade of Orange used in the Jeep Sport vehicle. Not flat, but with some metallic in it to shine.. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails f

[RBW] Handling Effects of Shorter Stems (from the OT discussion in a previuos post on the New Sams in Sept)

2020-05-21 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
In an earlier post on the new Sam Hillborunes coming in Sept, “New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall” 5/16/20 The discussion went OT to the longer top tubes RBW uses in the MIT Atlantis, and the need for shorter stems when using drop bars . Patrick Moore expressed concerns about

[RBW] Re: Handling Effects of Shorter Stems (from the OT discussion in a previuos post on the New Sams in Sept)

2020-05-21 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joe The Bicycling Science chapter did not discuss the of bars, but all the figures were the standard -17° stem with drop bars. So I would assume John Allen had drop bars in mind in his 2001 communication to Wilson. Also, Patrick's question concerned drop bars, not swept back bars. My takeawa

[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto R10 rear bag support and Pletscher Clem w/ pannier rails

2020-06-07 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Captain Any Pictures? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view thi

[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

2020-06-09 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Craig Do you how much further back the spin goes than the B17? I measured the distance in the rails available for travel in a B17 and a VO Model 3 and got VO Mod 3, 8.4cm of total distance B17, 6.4cm total distance or the VO had 2.0cm more travel. Of course the post clamp width af

Re: [RBW] I really need some help, I do not maintain my bikes myself and my old guy is no longer working. Bleriot Content

2020-06-11 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joel Your chain rings look pretty good to me. I don't see signs of 'shark fins'. I have good luck with a KMC X8 chains, 8 speed chain on a 7 speed cassette with a 9sp Deore M591SGS RD. They are about $15 on Amazon and come with the removable link. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ > -- You recei

Re: [RBW] I really need some help, I do not maintain my bikes myself and my old guy is no longer working. Bleriot Content

2020-06-11 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joel You need a 112 link chain based on your 48T ring, 26T large cog and 44.5cm chainstay on the Bleriot (RBW brochure). If you use a 46T ring, then you need 110 links. Per the 'long' chain link formula. Most chains are 116L so you need to remove 4 to 6 links for 112 and 110 Maybe your chai

[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

2020-06-12 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Andrew Just for reference, do you know the STA of your Atlantis or the frame size (looks to be 53cm) and year. Like to know if it <72°. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 12:36:46 PM UTC-4, Drurad (Sacramento) wrote: > > And here's what Craig's saddle will look like on yo

[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

2020-06-13 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Bill I think those phone apps angle finders are pretty good. I would just check using a 2' bubble level. Place the level on a table and shim the level to get the bubble centered. Then place the phone on it to see if it reads 0.0°. I not it has a small offset you can account for. You could a

Re: [RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

2020-06-13 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Nice looking rack, but I think Bruce Gordon said "Hopeless is helpless". RBW even offers their low rider racks with a bolt on hoop. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 9:13:00 AM UTC-4, ed wrote: > > Here is their blog on the new S rack. > https://bluelug.com/blog/global/

[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

2020-06-13 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
I thought the 'standard' mounting point on the fork was 165mm from the fork dropout. Bruce Gordon used 7" (178mm) for his front rack, and Waterford used his spacing in the late 90's and early 2000's. The RBW braze-ons look too high to fit the racks without odd looking backward tilt. They sho

Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

2020-06-13 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
n angle maniac. > > Craig in Tucson > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 8:47 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch < > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> Bill >> I think those phone apps angle finders are pretty good. I would just >> check usin

[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

2020-06-14 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Bill Looks like a great solution and it would seem to work if the fork brazeons were below the rack mounting point, e.g., a BG rack on a fork with 165mm brazeon spacing. Is the 1st picture the MIT Atlantis?? If so, it clearly shows the braze-ons mounted higher on the fork than most racks requ

Re: [RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

2020-06-14 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Steve Can you provide a picture of the strutted mounting??? It seems the struts would be very short. Or do you mount the strut to the rack like the strut to Mark's rack with a drawbolt ?? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:18:00 AM UTC-4, Steven Sweedler wrote: > > I’v

Re: [RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

2020-06-14 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
used on my Troll > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:54 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch < > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> Steve >> >> Can you provide a picture of the strutted mounting??? It seems the >> struts would be very shor

Re: [RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

2020-06-14 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Andrew Your experience and engineering explanation backs up what Bruce Gordon said. He was referring to the hoop disturbing the rotational stresses. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 12:30:53 AM UTC-4, Andrew Letton wrote: > > On the topic of hoopless: > > I bought the

[RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-15 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Bill great details and good work. I think you will find the gear change below 17T as 'annoyingly small". John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Leah All Bosco bars (CrMo or Al) are 25.4mm in the clamp area. Is the Nitto Stem a 25.4mm or 26.0mm diameter clamp? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop rece

[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
+1 on what Hugh said. Suggest also pulling the stem out and verify the quill is stamped with "25.4" and NOT "26.0" for the clamp diameter. A mix up may have occurred at Soma and they sent you a 26.0 stem. The CrMo bars may have tolerated a clamp mismatch better than the Al bars John Hawrylak

Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
++1 on this. The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate as you tighten it. Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up. I would do

Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Leah >From the video: 1. The stem seems to have excessive distance from the bolt to the 'shelf" which stops the nut rotation. The excessive distance allows the nut to rotate when tightened 2 The "shelf" flat appears straight and does not have a rounded out center, as would occur if the bolt wa

Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Leah I'm sorry if "defective" implied "unsafe". I meant the stem does not meet it's design and hence is defective. The Nitto design of the nut and shelf interface has a small of margin of error, since the hex nut has short flats. I do NOT think the stem is unsafe to ride since you used a wren

Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Leah Sounds like a harrowing ride. When you got home, was the nut on the stem clamp bolt loose??? If so how much loose John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and st

Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Leah Did you try your current AL bars in a DIFFERENT stem?? Did the bars 'tick' in the different stem??? I probably missed it in the previous posts. Get mixed up between all the Technomics John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the G

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Leah Based on everything so far, I think the problem is: The stem clamp is oversized and not a 'true' 25.4mm clamp. It results in insufficient clamp force on the AL bar allowing sipping, but provides enough force on the CrMo bar to hold it in place. Why: The Al bar does not creak in a Techon

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joe I would expect Nitto to have designed the tolerances of THEIR stem and THEIR bar to mate every time, if both are labelled 25.4mm. IF a problem occurs, Then it is POOR manufacturing, and not a "Oh Well, that's how it goes, we just have to accept it". Certainty not what we expect from Jap

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Leah OK, I thought the tick came back on 6/17 10 mile ride. If no tick, then use the triangular nut you bought from RBW, since it will absolutely contact the stem shelf and allow for bolt tightening without using a wrench. I still would NOT lube the stem/bar interface. The link to St Shel

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-20 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Leah When you install the bolt & triangular nut, can you post a picture of the "shelf" without any bolt or nut present?? If the shelf shows no signs of missing metal where the hex bolt contacted it, then the hole for the bolt was drilled lower than it should have been drilled. This is a pos

[RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

2020-06-23 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Bill How did the cassette work on the test rides? Did you encounter 'annoyingly small" shifts? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:37:47 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > The 12-21 indexes great in the stand, so I'll take it out on the hilly > road standard The Three Bea

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-23 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Jeremy I agree with your explanation of the 'creaking' of sleeved bars. Measuring a B177 & B132 & a 1988 Sakae Road Champion, the sleeve is about 1.0mm, probably slightly thicker to provide a sleeve ID < Bar OD for an interference fit to the bar. I imagine the sleeve is heated and then place

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-23 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joe Good catch on the burr. Are you saying the burr interfered with the initial tightening of the stem clamp, resulting in less than adequate tightening force, allowing slippage and gouging? Leah, can you confirm if a burr in the stem was/is present and if the bar sleeve is gouged? John H

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-23 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joe I think you are correct about something inside the stem clamp causing the gouging and resulting in the looseness. The inside of the stem clamp looks 'terrible" for a machined surface. The "gouged" Al bar worked in the normal Technomic stem, so the markings on the bar sleeve and clamp are

[RBW] Re: FS ^^^ Nitto Handlebars, NEW & used

2020-06-25 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Dave Is the Grand Randoneur (25.4) bar a B135 or a B132??? I think a B135 since it is 25,4 clamp John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from i

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-26 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Leah The pictures of the stem shelf were perfect. Sorry to hear the bolt was too short. The *direct cause *of the of the circular divot is Nitto drilled the hole for the Stem Bolt *TOO LOW* in the stem clamp . The lower stem bolt/hex nut resulted in the hex nut not being close to the shelf fo

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-26 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Leah You should not be left holding the bag on this. I suggest contacting RBW, struggling or not, and see what they can do for you. RBW and Soma are not at fault if the stem did not meet design, but RBW or Soma should step up and see what they can do for you. Soma seems to be not responding

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-27 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Paul I agree with you that Nitto designed approx 1mm clearance for the hex nut to shelf. I also agree it's a marginal design, and could be improved, but it does work. I should have cautioned Leah to look for 'excessive play' in the nut to shelf which allows the nut to almost rotate fully.

[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-27 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Aeroperf Good idea on the 2 different hex nut sizes. When you say "I think you just got a bad stem", can you be more specific about what the 'bad' is??? Are you saying Nitto substituted a JIS hex nut (12mm flats) when the original design used a standard metric hex nut (13mm flats)?? Followi

[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-27 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
aeroprof I agree with you, no substitution was made on Leah's stem. What I meant was Nitto designed the stem for a Standard M6 hex nut (13mm flats) some time before 2000 when I bought my 225mm Technomic with 80mm stem. Some time between 2000 and 2010 Nitto made a design change to go to a JIS

[RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

2020-06-29 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joel You probably saw this, but a 54.5cm AHH is for sale on this FS: 54.5 A. Homer Hilsen with extras Might be worth an inquiry. Don't know if it is MUSA or MIT. The 56cm EffTTL is too long for me with a 5cm stem and RH Randonnuer bars. PS, you may need a shorter stem on the new MIT's since

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

2020-06-29 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joel The MUSA frames were sized 2cm apart with a 2° sloping TT. Looks much better. The frame is too long for me. If not, I would ask him if it was MUSA or MIT. If MUSA, it's a very good del. If MIT, not bad deal, but unless you need his parts, you would be better off buying a new frame a

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

2020-06-29 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
-4, Joel Stern wrote: > > John, > > Actually I would like to go a bit more relaxed than the Bleriiot. That put > the AHH in the same category as the Bleriot from what I have been reading. > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:49 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch &

Re: [RBW] 50cm Atlantis. 650b

2020-07-13 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joel Using Bill Lindsay's analysis and assuming 10% of the US population in within 2H of Springfield MA, your chances of finding a 650B 50cm Atlantis is less than 1 in 10,000. Suggest you pursue other methods. Just checked RBW website and using the Bill Lindsay method of stock determination

[RBW] Re: FS Bike Bags +

2021-04-18 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
I am interested in the VO handlebar bag if it is the Camagne one. Did not see photos of it. Could not reply privately. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 10:15:41 AM UTC-4 Melanie wrote: > I love bags, especially bike bags, way too much. But I’m running out of > spac

[RBW] Re: For 22 years I've continually been surprised and repeated thrilled by my Road Custom

2021-04-21 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Patrick Very good description. You stated the Starck was better in "fit, feel, and above all, the energetic response to pedaling input". The 'fit' seems to imply the cockpit dimensions are closer to your body than the others. The 'feel' seems to imply the frame geometry is better for you.

[RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

2021-05-16 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Peter You stated/asked: "Some of them are clearly wrong; how can the 700x44 Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires possibly weigh less than the 700x38 Barlow Pass ones, unless the casings on the 700x44s are sidewall-bursting thin? And weightwise, the SOMA Supple Vitesse SLs are just *crazy* light, if

[RBW] Re: Another >10year old Rivendell

2021-05-20 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Bill Glad your enjoying Michigan with the Sam. The pictures were very nice. Not surprised about your conclusion the Sam would be the 1 bike you would keep, from your previous posts I thought you also had a Northern-Lyon and with the low trial and thin wall tubing, I thought the N-L would

[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Acorn bags, Rene Herse tires, XT, Dura-Ace, etc.

2021-05-29 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Mark I am interested in the 3 Biopace rings. PM via Google Groups does not wrok. e-mail me at John dot Hawrylak at verizon dot net John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 12:59:28 PM UTC-4 esoter...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hey everyone, the For Sale/For Trade list has been u

[RBW] Re: My recent "CO-GAP" 7-day trip

2021-05-30 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Kate I believe the only direct PHL-PIT Amtrak train is the #43 Pennsylvanian with dep/arr times of 1242 to 1959. The Capitol Limited would be PHL to DC on NE Regional, changing to the Capitol for DC to PIT. They show 1445 dep PHL and 2358 PIT arrival. Pittsburgh is roughly the mid point o

[RBW] Re: My recent "CO-GAP" 7-day trip

2021-05-30 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Kate You could also get the 3 Amtrak NE Regionals in Trenton for DC vs going to PHL on NJ transit, if taking the Capitol to PIT via DC. You can also get the 43 Pennsylvanian (Pgh-NYC via 30th St Phl) in Trenton instead of going to PHL. Alternatively, can take the Capitol to Cumberland, and

[RBW] XD2 Rings and 9 Speed

2021-07-03 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
I want to use my Sugino XD2 crank with the STOCK Sugino rings with a 9 speed Shimano cassette and 9 speed KMC chain. Currently use it on a 7 speed cassette with a 8 speed KMC chain with no issues. Does anyone have any experience, positive or negative, on using this crank with a 9 speed casset

[RBW] Re: XD2 Rings and 9 Speed

2021-07-03 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Aerprof & Pancake Thanks for the positive advice. I will plan on using my existing XD2 with 9 speeds. I forgot to mention I am using a Deore RD-M591 currently with the crank and 7 speed casssette. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 11:19:16 AM UTC-4 aeroperf wrote: >

[RBW] Re: WTB- 2 Silver Bar End Pods (and/or Silver Shifters)

2021-07-04 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Bill Does the $80 include 1 shifter & pod (L or R) or a complete pair (L and R)??? Not clear as to what you meant by 'complete'. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 8:52:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > I have a couple sets of Shimano Pods, and a new pair of Silver Shif

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
brendonoid commented"If I was running indexed I honestly don't know what the advantage would be? It would be very hard to tell and the few but significant downsides would seem not worth it to me." Shimano probably came to the same conclusion. I wish Grant well with his Low Normal fascinati

[RBW] Re: measured speed differences between road and touring bikes

2021-07-17 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
About 7 years ago on the Opinionated Cyclist podcast (Diana R?), Richard Schwinn stated Schwinn did testing with a university to determine the speed difference due to frame weight. The result was a 12 lb increase in frame weight resulted in a 1 mph difference. I believe the wheels were consta

Re: [RBW] Re: measured speed differences between road and touring bikes

2021-07-17 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
62 mm EL Big Ones seems to roll as > fast on the flats -- judging by ease of maintaining cadence in similar > gears -- as my 18 lb Riv custom with 28 mm EL Elk Passes. (Big Ones are 450 > grams each, Elk Passes are 175 grams each.) > > > On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 3:52 PM 'Jo

[RBW] Re: Correct Nitto rear rack size?

2021-07-23 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
Joe Nice setup. Is the RBW saddlebag a MEDIUM or LARGE, & what is the saddle height in the picture?? One of the best pics for determine what bag fits my frame. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 4:20:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: > This is a Medium (32R) on a 55cm Chev

Re: [RBW] Re: measured speed differences between road and touring bikes

2021-07-26 Thread &#x27;John Hawrylak&#x27; via RBW Owners Bunch
aeroprof The 2.5 lb weight difference (Fuji vs Sam) is worth 0.2 mph (1lb =12 mph) and would correct the LIGHTER Fuji time by subtracting 0.2mph to compare to the Sam, or Fuji corrected = 11.4 mph Sam = 11.2 mph The 0.2mph seems insignificant, probably within the statistical variation of

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