Re: [RBW] Re: longevity

2012-02-18 Thread Lyle Bogart
Did a little search and found these; the last link has some video footage of Marchand riding with his club (the audio is in french, so with the exception of "allez" I"ve little idea what was said :) ) : http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails.asp?id=Nzg3NQ&MenuId=MTI2Mjc http://timesofindia.

[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread Peter Pesce
Love the color! I for one appreciate the look of the rear rack parallel to the top tubes! :-p -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8JfMX_

[RBW] Re: What this country needs is a Country Bike

2012-02-18 Thread Mike
In some ways things have changed since then. Availability of bikes with bigger/better clearances has grown. Salsa is marketing some pretty interesting bikes for camping, or as they refer to it "Adventuring". The Surly Pacer with its adjustment for true 32s (w/out fenders), the All City Mr Pink, and

[RBW] Re: What this country needs is a Country Bike

2012-02-18 Thread Jim
Not so much a country but a rural work-horse. I live 6 miles from a small town, 14 from a medium sized one. It is a 30 mile (oneway) ride to shop in the "big city" (Mankato). That said, I have a variety of bikes but my mainstay is my SUV, a Surly Big Dummy. I have 32's on my NatureBoy and 2.25

[RBW] Fork rake radius

2012-02-18 Thread pruckelshaus
IMO, there are pleasing to the eye fork rake radii, and then there are those that are not. The "new" Betty falls into the latter category: http://gallery.mailchimp.com/2090e897f8c7f8d7170a52bbd/files/bet1.1.jpg?utm_source=Current+Members&utm_campaign=96a454b30c-New_Foy_Sizes2_17_2012&utm_medium=

[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread trek610
Thanks Tony - I appreciate the advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MFFMkVozalUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners

[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread trek610
Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.googl

RE: [RBW] Re: longevity

2012-02-18 Thread Marc Schwartz
Personally, hope to be ALIVE at 100. But, of course, alive = cycling! M From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Tony Lockhart [tony.lockh...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:59 PM To: RBW Owne

RE: [RBW] Re: Best sellers-worst sellers

2012-02-18 Thread Marc Schwartz
I remember reading in an old Riv Reader that Charlie Cunningham regularly "writes backwards" to this same purpose. Marc "chewing gum and walking at the same time" Schwartz From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on beha

RE: [RBW] Re: Should have been riding a Betty Foy

2012-02-18 Thread Marc Schwartz
The beauty of steel; bent your frame? BEND IT BACK! Then weld on an additional " top tube"! "We don' need no stinkin" warranty!" M From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on behalf of dougP [dougpn...@cox.net] Sent: Fr

[RBW] Re: Fork rake radius

2012-02-18 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Could also be a trick of the angle. I thought I saw a side view image, but can't lay my mouse upon it this morning. - Jim / cyclofiend -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://grou

Re: [RBW] Re: Fork rake radius

2012-02-18 Thread cyclotourist
Ohhh, that's not so pretty... On 2/18/12, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: > Could also be a trick of the angle. I thought I saw a side view image, but > can't lay my mouse upon it this morning. > > - Jim / cyclofiend > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW

Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread cyclotourist
Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditio

Re: [RBW] Re: Best sellers-worst sellers

2012-02-18 Thread William
Tennyson was always a couple steps more confusing than shifting. I never felt so screwed with Tennyson though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-ow

Re: [RBW] Re: East Coast Rivendells - DC & NoVa

2012-02-18 Thread WETH
Steve, I am in Kensington, too. Though I do not ride a Rivendell (yet), I do commute with a large Saddlesack and other Rivendell gear! My commute takes me the length of Kensington Parkway before I head south into DC. If you see me riding (black Surly LHT, olive, large Saddlesack, yellow trian

Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread Peter Morgano
Then you get into a whole "diluting the brand" argument where as Rivendell stands for high end lugged bikes if they just went and made tig welded bikes threadless stems how would they be any different from Surly et al? I just dont think someone as small as Riv could stay in business selling such ch

[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
I would think that the new (2011) fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was or

[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confid

Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread cyclotourist
Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 or $4,000 bike, but one for

[RBW] Re: It was a pretty sunrise commute this morning...

2012-02-18 Thread Geoff
Very nice shot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/thwBNAOnJB0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

[RBW] Re: Fork rake radius

2012-02-18 Thread Pondero
Hmmm. I thought that the traditional pretty Rivendell fork rake was about as "no compromise" with Grant as lugs. I guess not, and that's unfortunate. A nice fork rake must be very expensive, because so few production fork makers do it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: [RBW] Fork rake radius

2012-02-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE
It does look very odd and not very nice; I wonder if Jim is right about the viewing angle. Me, I do like the classic tightly radiused bend -- even more evident on many low trail bikes -- but I also like (shamfacedly confessing) straight forks on the right frame, tho' only if the legs have the righ

Re: [RBW] Re: What this country needs is a Country Bike

2012-02-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I wouldn't call randonneur bikes "country bikes" if the Sam Hillson is a country bike: the former are much more roadlike, if my categorization is correct. OTOH, bikes like the Fargo split the difference between a mountain bike and a bike like the Sam Hill: they are more biased toward dirt but ride

Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread Stonehog
Take a look at Rawland. Frames are around $700, but they fit wide tires, use light steel tubing, and are built for comfort. You may be able to get them on special occasionally in the $500 range, too. Mobile Brian Hanson On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:42 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > Peter M: Yeah, I get

Re: [RBW] Re: What this country needs is a Country Bike

2012-02-18 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 15:23 -0700, Bertin753 wrote: > But that ain't no Sam Hill! As good a bike as the Sam is, I wonder if > Jan would classify it as a randonneur; more like an all-rounder? I'm pretty sure I've seen a Sam Hill at one of DC Randonneurs brevets, and the owner was one of the regular

Re: [RBW] Re: East Coast Rivendells - DC & NoVa

2012-02-18 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Ah, Kensington. When I lasted visited, the highlight was a visit to Bert Heiserman's vintage pen shop. What a place, if you love old pens. But I drift way off topic... http://www.thepenhaven.com/about.html On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 11:08 AM, WETH wrote: > Steve, > I am in Kensington, too. Tho

Re: [RBW] Re: What this country needs is a Country Bike

2012-02-18 Thread Peter Pesce
Ironically, I just bought the 2005 back issue of VQ (then VBQ) that has the interview with GP and JH, and it's funny to see their differing opinions. Grant is all "it's great if a bike is flexible to be equipped any way someone wants" and Jan is all "but didn't the French essentially figure out

[RBW] Nice afternoon ramble

2012-02-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE
23 miles today, at a leisurely pace with my brother Peter out from LA and Crownpoint (NM) down the old Corrales road -- Corrales being a combination of old Hispanic farming community, rural slum and yuppie McMansions (Santa Fe style). I on my Curt commuter fixed (72") and Peter on one of his -- wha

Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread cyclotourist
I always considered them to by chunky mountain bikey, sort of like a 650b Karate Monkey. Will give 'em a look! On 2/18/12, Stonehog wrote: > Take a look at Rawland. Frames are around $700, but they fit wide tires, use > light steel tubing, and are built for comfort. You may be able to get them >

Re: [RBW] Re: What this country needs is a Country Bike

2012-02-18 Thread James Warren
Good description of the issue. I am seriously grateful that I get to live in a time when such a debate can be had! -Original Message- >From: Peter Pesce >Sent: Feb 18, 2012 4:53 PM >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: What this country needs is a Country Bike

Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread David Yu Greenblatt
The Rawland rSogn (650B) is quite different from any Surly. http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=3953 With 8/5/8 standard-diameter tubing I think the frame is lighter and flexier than most other production steel bikes including Rivs. They are also coming o

[RBW] Re: What this country needs is a Country Bike

2012-02-18 Thread Mike
On Feb 18, 5:09 pm, James Warren wrote: > Good description of the issue. > I am seriously grateful that I get to live in a time when such a debate can > be had! > > Yes! It's an exciting time for those of us that appreciate and desire all-road bikes. I have a couple of bikes and almost all of th

Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread cyclotourist
Their only product I'm familiar is the cSogn. It seemed a great bike, but kind of burly. On 2/18/12, David Yu Greenblatt wrote: > The Rawland rSogn (650B) is quite different from any Surly. > http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=3953 > With 8/5/8 standar

[RBW] Re: Fork rake radius

2012-02-18 Thread Matthew Snyder
I don't think it's a trick of a strange viewing angle. Here's the new Betty fork viewed from the side: http://gallery.mailchimp.com/2090e897f8c7f8d7170a52bbd/files/bet2.3.jpg?utm_source=Current+Members&utm_campaign=96a454b30c-New_Foy_Sizes2_17_2012&utm_medium=email On Feb 18, 11:10 am, PATRICK

Re: [RBW] Re: Fork rake radius

2012-02-18 Thread James Warren
I think most of us know that Grant would prefer it to be as nice a curve as possible. If there is a need to speculate about the significance of this one possibly showing some compromise, please ask Rivendell or him directly about it. Also, I'm not claiming that anyone has said anything saucy.

[RBW] A Short Trip to RBWHQ

2012-02-18 Thread jimD
Drove up to try some MUSA knickers - the large fit me fine and they are great for riding - bought em. While I was there got to ride the Bosco Rubbe a bit. I'd characterize the ride as PLUSH. Made me smile. It would be great for my ~12 mile round trip commute. My Hoarders Anon sponsor will be non

Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent of the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling to me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the Pa

[RBW] Re: East Coast Rivendells / BOBs

2012-02-18 Thread Noah Deuce
Alas, I can't join you all for Riv Rally East this year, but I just wanted to pipe up as another Brooklyn-based Riv owner. I've got an original green Quickbeam that I use to get around the city nearly every day, and an A. Homer Hilsen that I ride on the weekends with the New York Cycle Club and wh

[RBW] Re: Fork rake radius

2012-02-18 Thread dougP
It seems premature to form an opinion before seeing the built-up bike. I'd reserve judgement until I saw the entire visual, hopefully in person. Photos somehow don't quite tell the whole story. dougP On Feb 18, 6:52 pm, James Warren wrote: > I think most of us know that Grant would prefer it t

[RBW] Re: WTT/WTB: 165mm compact double crankarms or crankset

2012-02-18 Thread RonLau
Franklyn Hi, if you are interested, I have a set of Sugino PX with 50/40/30 in 165mm I am not using. $105 shipped across the bay. I know it is not 110bcd, but you know what you can do with it. Thanks, Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owne

Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

2012-02-18 Thread cyclotourist
I've never met anyone who spoke poorly of their Surly! A Surly Pacer is also a bike that's almost there, but not quite. I guess what I'm visualizing is a Taiwanese tig welded, powder coated Roadeo (zippy country bike, 57mm brakes) with <$600 Surly/Salsa/SOMA pricing. The SOMA San Marcos more like