[RBW] Re: Protecting the top tube from brake cable

2009-11-19 Thread Mojo
I use 3 groups of 3 donuts across the top tube, and they stay put with no migration at all. But perhaps it is my cables. I think I am currently using teflon coated (black) Nashbar cables. On Nov 17, 11:44 pm, Earl Grey wrote: > I have used the rubber doughnuts on a different bike (Indy Fab Planet

Re: [RBW] Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Ron Farnsworth
Bad math. If 96% efficient = 5.2 mph, then 90% efficient would be 4.875 mph, not 5.1 mph. And that's with worst case efficiency numbers for the chain setup and best case efficiency numbers for the IGH. Based on this, the other calculations are off too. Correct me if I'm wrong.  --- On Thu, 11/1

[RBW] Re: For Sale: Bay Area Rivendell Bleriot, 59 cm

2009-11-19 Thread eflayer
Sold On Oct 27, 11:15 am, eflayer wrote: > For Sale:  Bay Area RivendellBleriot, 59 cm > Built up and ridden less than 100 miles.  I like it a lot, but have > moved more toward my long wheel base recumbent. > Handspun Velocity Dyad rims laced to Deore LX hubs, > Nifty Swifty tires installed plus

[RBW] Re: Velo Orange Campagne Handlebar Bar

2009-11-19 Thread dan gee
I haven't used any bag other than the ostrich, but I like it. The flap issue isn't as big of a deal as you would initially think it would be (although it would be nice for it to open from the rear). The bottom mounting is kind of a pain, but I was able to get a more stable attachment to my M-12 by

[RBW] Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.

2009-11-19 Thread RonLau
To all Bay Area Folks. I would like to have a ride from the Golden Gate Bridge and do the Paradise Loop in Marin. Starting time is 9:00AM and will take approx. 2.5 to 3 hours. Anyone interested? Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunc

[RBW] Re: Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.

2009-11-19 Thread RonLau
To all, For those who has not ridden fixedgear or SS before and want to learn. I have a two other fixed you can borrow in case you want to learn how to do fixedgear or SS. My extra fixed are 52 and 53cm size bike. Ron On Nov 19, 6:42 am, RonLau wrote: > To all Bay Area Folks. > > I would lik

Re: [RBW] Re: Protecting the top tube from brake cable

2009-11-19 Thread David Faller
I think I like this method! May give it a try next time I get new cables... - Original Message - From: benzzoy To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Protecting the top tube from brake cable On Nov 18, 6:36 am, Seth Vidal wrote:

Re: [RBW] Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.

2009-11-19 Thread Ray Shine
Does it have to be on a fixie?  Would a standard old freewheeling QB be acceptable? --- On Thu, 11/19/09, RonLau wrote: From: RonLau Subject: [RBW] Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat. To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 6:42 AM To all Bay Area Folks. I would like to h

Re: [RBW] Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Eric Norris
Blame Berto. They're his numbers. --Eric www.wheelsnorth.org www.campyonly.com On Nov 19, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Ron Farnsworth wrote: > Bad math. > If 96% efficient = 5.2 mph, then 90% efficient would be 4.875 mph, > not 5.1 mph. And that's with worst case efficiency numbers for the > chain set

[RBW] Re: Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.

2009-11-19 Thread RonLau
SS works just fine. On Nov 19, 7:01 am, Ray Shine wrote: > Does it have to be on a fixie?  Would a standard old freewheeling QB be > acceptable? > > --- On Thu, 11/19/09, RonLau wrote: > > From: RonLau > Subject: [RBW] Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat. > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > Date: Thur

Re: [RBW] Re: Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.

2009-11-19 Thread Ray Shine
OK, I'll pencil it in.  Can't confirm just yet.  Thanks for the invite. RS --- On Thu, 11/19/09, RonLau wrote: From: RonLau Subject: [RBW] Re: Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat. To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 7:10 AM SS works just fine. On Nov 19, 7:01 am, Ray S

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Mechanical inefficiency of the drivetrain is not the only thing that makes a cyclist slower. Let's say, for example, that 90% of the total inefficiency comes from tire rolling resistance and aerodynamics, and 10% comes from the mechanical friction and slop in the drivetrain. Then the total effect o

[RBW] Re: Velo Orange Campagne Handlebar Bar

2009-11-19 Thread Mike
For the price I'd definitely recommend the Ostrich bag over the VO. And it's a great color. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from t

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Eric Norris
Jim: You're right, of course. If you look at Berto's numbers, a drop from 5.2 to 5.1mph is a 2% decrease, not 6%. Obviously, other factors are involved in how fast you go, not just the efficiency of the drivetrain. Applied to my PBP example, going 2% slower would add about 1.7 hours to an 84

RE: [RBW] Re: Protecting the top tube from brake cable

2009-11-19 Thread Frederick, Steve
If your housing is long enough, you don't need to wait. Just pull your stem, cross the cable under it, then reinsert. This assumes you have split cable stops of course... Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: David Faller [mailto:dfal...@charter.net] Sent: Thursd

RE: [RBW] Re: Protecting the top tube from brake cable

2009-11-19 Thread Frederick, Steve
Actually, I think some donuts grip the cable better than others. Look for the soft rubber 5-sided ones rathe than the hard/shiny rubber round ones... Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: Mojo [mailto:gjtra...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:01 AM To:

[RBW] Re: Reminder: NorCal Riv Ride: Mount Hamilton next Sunday

2009-11-19 Thread Jim M.
I was looking forward to the ride but my company has announced a sudden re-org and I'm traveling on business. I posted this announcement to the I-BOB list to reach more folks. Have fun and I'll see you next time! jim m wc ca On Nov 15, 10:23 am, Anne Paulson wrote: > This is a repeat of the mes

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread MichaelH
I'll bet these estimates assume a clean, oiled chain and cog set, as well as pulleys and rings. I wonder what the calculation would be with a couple of pounds of winter slush over the drive system! Then add studded tires to the equation. Michael Westford, Vt I can resist anything except tempta

Re: [RBW] Re: Protecting the top tube from brake cable

2009-11-19 Thread rswat...@me.com
These donuts don't slide: http://store.icyclesusa.com/shared/StoreFront/product_detail.asp?RowID=789&CS=icycles&All= I'm using them on the brake cables on two bikes and they haven't slipped yet. The black ones I got from my LBS always slide down. Mm, Donuts! Ryan On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:

[RBW] Re: Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.

2009-11-19 Thread Jeremy Till
I was the one advocating for doing a fixed/ss ride at the last Norcal ride back in Oct, but unfortunately this weekend coincides with the end of the academic quarter for me so I will be madly writing term papers that weekend. I'll see if I can take that morning off but I can't be sure. If folks

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 07:26 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > Mechanical inefficiency of the drivetrain is not the only thing that > makes a cyclist slower. Let's say, for example, that 90% of the total > inefficiency comes from tire rolling resistance and aerodynamics, and > 10% comes f

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Dustin Sharp
The "feel" issue is definitely a big issue with the Rohloff in certain gears. You can feel static in the pedals as it grinds in gear 7, for example. Hear it too. Makes you understand why some riders used to call them pepper grinders and gives you the sensation of pedaling through water. In terms o

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 09:48 -0800, Dustin Sharp wrote: > The "feel" issue is definitely a big issue with the Rohloff in certain > gears. You can feel static in the pedals as it grinds in gear 7, for > example. Hear it too. Makes you understand why some riders used to call them > pepper grinders and

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Eric Norris
So far, I get the feeling that the internal gears on my Sturmey Archer 8S don't like to be put under a load. It feels fine--just like a regular bike--when I'm spinning on the flats. Going uphill, it feels harder to pedal than it did with a fixed gear in the same ratio. In my experience, the I

Re: [RBW] Cycling Cap Suggestion

2009-11-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I don' know if it is my low bar position or my excessively low brow, but how do y'all see from under those long brims? I had some caps made by Carolyne at LittlePackagedotcom with 4 cm brims and they are the first I can pull down securely in front -- too keep the wind of my ferocious speed from blo

Re: [RBW] Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.

2009-11-19 Thread CycloFiend
on 11/19/09 7:01 AM, Ray Shine at r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Does it have to be on a fixie? Would a standard old freewheeling QB be acceptable? I would expect so. Just keep pedaling and no one will notice... - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - h

[RBW] Re: Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.

2009-11-19 Thread franklyn
Sounds like fun. Too bad I have divested my fixed/SS properties earlier this year--am looking to acquire a good fixed steed again, though. I used to ride that route on 40/17 and it's perfect as a fixed route. Have a great time. Franklyn On Nov 19, 10:25 am, CycloFiend wrote: > on 11/19/09 7:01

[RBW] fenders and short reach brakes

2009-11-19 Thread J L
Hey all, Im sure there are multiple factors here but what is the biggest tire that will work with fenders and short reach (at 49mm) brakes? I would love to get some 28's underneath fenders on my road standard but it looks like it is only possible with the front. I don't want to "make" the fender

[RBW] Nitto M-12 for 26" Atlantis?

2009-11-19 Thread rcnute
A new-to-me 56cm Atlantis is coming my way. This one doesn't have mid- fork braze-ons. I have a Nitto Mini but would prefer not to use p- clamps if possible. Anyone know if an M-12 will fit? Thanks. Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owner

Re: [RBW] Re: Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.

2009-11-19 Thread T Truong
In. I look forward to our coffee/pastry stop in Tiburon. Right? Tom On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM, franklyn wrote: > Sounds like fun. Too bad I have divested my fixed/SS properties > earlier this year--am looking to acquire a good fixed steed again, > though. I used to ride that route on 40/

Re: [RBW] Nitto M-12 for 26

2009-11-19 Thread Rene Valbuena
The Nitto M12 will fit if the [diagonal] distance of any of the canti studs to the hole of the fork crown [where you usually pass through the bolt of a side-pull or center-pull] brake, is around 10cm. I am assuing that this hole is present on fork of the bike you are getting. This I learned from

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Mark
Efficiency is a funny word to those who ride a bike for fun! I agree it may be important if you are in competition, but when I ride and I am out looking at the birds and the beautiful scenery, effeciency? To me, thats why I was attracted to Grant, because his whole philosophy about bike riding has

[RBW] Re: Nitto M-12 for 26" Atlantis?

2009-11-19 Thread Rene
The Nitto M12 will fit if the [diagonal] distance of any of the canti studs to the hole of the fork crown [where you usually pass through the bolt of a side-pull or center-pull brake], is around 10cm. I am assuing that this hole is present on fork of the bike you are getting. This I learned from Hi

[RBW] Re: Velo Orange Campagne Handlebar Bar

2009-11-19 Thread Rene
Thank you all very much for your comments. -- Rene On Nov 19, 7:45 am, Mike wrote: > For the price I'd definitely recommend the Ostrich bag over the VO. > And it's a great color. > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. T

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Eric Norris
I'm totally into riding slower (ask my friends), but I also do some "extreme" rides where it could make a real difference to be even a little less efficient. If I'm not trying to stay ahead of control point closing times, let's just noodle along! --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com ww

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread CycloFiend
on 11/19/09 5:39 AM, Mark at mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote: > Efficiency is a funny word to those who ride a bike for fun! I agree > it may be important if you are in competition, but when I ride and I > am out looking at the birds and the beautiful scenery, effeciency? To > me, thats why I was attra

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto M-12 for 26" Atlantis?

2009-11-19 Thread CycloFiend
on 11/19/09 3:06 PM, Rene at valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote: > The Nitto M12 will fit if the [diagonal] distance of any of the canti > studs to the hole of the fork crown [where you usually pass through > the bolt of a side-pull or center-pull brake], is around 10cm. I am > assuing that this hole is

[RBW] Re: fenders and short reach brakes

2009-11-19 Thread Bill M.
I have had Roly Polys under Esge fenders on my Road Standard, with Dia Compe BRS200 calipers. Close fit, but it worked fine for me. I'm currently running 32 mm Paselas on that bike, no room for fenders with those. Bill On Nov 19, 12:54 pm, J L wrote: > Hey all, > > Im sure there are multiple f

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Ray Shine
--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Mark wrote: From: Mark Subject: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 5:39 AM Efficiency is a funny word to those who ride a bike for fun! I agree it may be important if you are in competition,

[RBW] Re: fenders and short reach brakes

2009-11-19 Thread Jim Cloud
I have a Rivendell Road Standard, purchased in 1996, equipped with Suntour Superbe Pro sidepull brakes (reach: 49 MAX, 39 MIN). The bicycle is presently fitted with Honjo hammered fenders (45mm width) and tires marked 700Cx28 (Panaracer Category Pro). I've actually measured the tires and they are

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Angus
Mr. Berto's math is quite close. Power varies with the cube of the speed (speed x speed x speed). 5.2 cubed / 5.1 cubed = 1.060 or about 6% difference in power required. Angus On Nov 19, 8:17 am, Ron Farnsworth wrote: > Bad math. > If 96% efficient = 5.2 mph, then 90% efficient would be 4.87

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Ron Farnsworth
The power output says 1/8 hp and I assume that is a fixed value, and I discounted aerodynamics and rolling resistance as well for such a small change in speed. Beyond that, isn't it a simple linear relationship between drivetrain efficiency and speed?   After re-reading I think there may have be

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Tim McNamara
On Nov 19, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 07:26 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: >> Mechanical inefficiency of the drivetrain is not the only thing that >> makes a cyclist slower. Let's say, for example, that 90% of the total >> inefficiency comes from

[RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-19 Thread Jock Scott
Get the triple. Unless you have some particular physical concerns or unique pedaling style that needs to be addressed with a specific crank, q-factor is irrelevant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread Tim McNamara
On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:16 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > on 11/19/09 5:39 AM, Mark at mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Efficiency is a funny word to those who ride a bike for fun! I agree >> it may be important if you are in competition, but when I ride and I >> am out looking at the birds and the beauti

[RBW] Re: Which Side Pull Brakes for Jack Browns?

2009-11-19 Thread Jock Scott
The specs of the frame and fork are what determine which brake caliper you can use. The effective brake reach on Jim's Ram is 54mm, and there are several brakes available that are compatible (including the long-reach Ultegras shown). The AHH has a 65mm brake reach, and Tektro's R556 is the only b

Re: [RBW] Re: Protecting the top tube from brake cable

2009-11-19 Thread Rene Sterental
Haven't found the donuts on the site you recommended, but found the tubing for the cables... http://store.icyclesusa.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=icycles&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=239956080&Count2=157096505 René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RB

Re: [RBW] Re: Protecting the top tube from brake cable

2009-11-19 Thread Rene Sterental
Actually, here they are... in black! http://store.icyclesusa.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=icycles&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=239956080&Count2=157096505 René On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Rene Sterental wrote: > Haven't found the donuts on the site you recommended, but found the tubing > f

Re: [RBW] Re: Protecting the top tube from brake cable

2009-11-19 Thread rswat...@me.com
I don't know about the black ones, but the clear ones don't slide: http://store.icyclesusa.com/Product789 Ryan On Nov 19, 2009, at 22:03, Rene Sterental wrote: > Actually, here they are... in black! > http://store.icyclesusa.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=icycles&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=

Re: [RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say

2009-11-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: > > On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:16 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > > > on 11/19/09 5:39 AM, Mark at mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >> Efficiency is a funny word to those who ride a bike for fun! I agree > >> it may be important if you are in competition,

Re: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Jock Scott wrote: > Get the triple. Unless you have some particular physical concerns or > unique pedaling style that needs to be addressed with a specific > crank, q-factor is irrelevant. > Irrelevant to what? Some people feel more comfortable and pedal more ef

[RBW] Re: fenders and short reach brakes

2009-11-19 Thread JL
Thanks everyone I can't seem to figure it out. I have a 1996 road standard as well. I am currently running Grand Bois 700x28c and had run Panaracer Pasalea TG 700x28c tires and I can't see how there is enough room for a fender to fit underneath the brake bridge. I think I am going to buy a set o