[RBW] Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread GeorgeS
Is it my imagination, or are a number of the RBW frames essentially the same bike with different names. I bought a Rambouillet in 05 and I'm told now that it is no longer being made. But it looks very similar to the Homer Hilsen which looks very similar to the Bleroit (sp?). Perhaps I'm not kn

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I'm sure here are several differences, but the most significant is that AHH was built around the new XL reach Tektro 556 brakes. Fits bigger tires. On Mar 24, 7:38 am, GeorgeS wrote: > Is it my imagination, or are a number of the RBW frames essentially > the same bike with different names.  I bo

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Also: The Bleriot (discontinued) was a made in Taiwan, budget version of the Saluki, which was one of the early RBW 650B models. The line between the Saluki and the AHH is a little blurry. I seem to recall that the AHH was initially the same as the Saluki, but available in larger sizes and with 70

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread CycloFiend
on 3/24/09 4:38 AM, GeorgeS at chobur...@gmail.com wrote: > Is it my imagination, or are a number of the RBW frames essentially > the same bike with different names. I bought a Rambouillet in 05 and > I'm told now that it is no longer being made. But it looks very > similar to the Homer Hilsen

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread Horace
Similar, yes; but different enough to cause much hand-wringing and consternation among Rambouillet fans when that model was discontinued. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:38 AM, GeorgeS wrote: > > Is it my imagination, or are a number of the RBW frames essentially > the same bike with different names.

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread Dustin Sharp
Even recognizing all this, when you stand back a bit, it does seem like all of the Riv models are converging around the concept of "fat tire all-rounder." Some, like the Bomba and Atlantis, use a bit stouter tubing than the others, but the geometries and clearances are pretty similar. I feel lik

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread Rick
I think there are two distinctions that are helpful in separating the bikes into overarching categories: place of manufacture and the expanded geometry. The hillborne falls in the budget/less expensive category (like the bleriot b/f it) b/c of its taiwanese place of manufacture, yet is unlike th

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Rick wrote: > We could plot them in a graph along these two > perpendicular axes (taiwan-japan, expanded geo - not). Or perhaps, in > terms of relative distance/direction from a core ideal, like, say, the > AHH. Wow, you can tell someone here is an engineer of so

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 13:41 -0700, Rick wrote: > I think there are two distinctions that are helpful in separating the > bikes into overarching categories: place of manufacture and the > expanded geometry. The hillborne falls in the budget/less expensive > category (like the bleriot b/f it) b/c

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread Rick
> Trouble with that is it ignores tire width, type of brakes, "sportiness" > and "geometry as it affects handling, not size".- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You're right, it does. And brake type is key to AHH. But accepting that the all-rounder theme prevails, user tire width is

[RBW] Re: blue rambo for sale

2009-03-24 Thread TJ Ramb
TEASE! On Mar 24, 2:32 pm, dpco wrote: > i have decided to take my frame off the market. > don > > On Mar 23, 8:26 pm, Donald Compton wrote: > > > > > sold > > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, CycloFiend wrote: > > > > From: CycloFiend > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: blue rambo for sale > > > To: rbw-owners-b

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread boomer
I'm new to the Rivendell line of bikes, so thanks for your summary. Can you elaborate on the Legolas? I don't see many of these around and not much information seems to be available. Thanks. On Mar 24, 9:35 am, CycloFiend wrote: > on 3/24/09 4:38 AM, GeorgeS at chobur...@gmail.com wrote: > > >

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread CycloFiend
on 3/24/09 8:01 AM, boomer at phil...@gmail.com wrote: > > I'm new to the Rivendell line of bikes, so thanks for your summary. > Can you elaborate on the Legolas? I don't see many of these around > and not much information seems to be available. > Legolas was designed as a cross-specific (cyc

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread J. Burkhalter
Speaking o' the Legolas, anybody know why it was spec'd with a threadless setup? On Mar 24, 12:01 pm, boomer wrote: > I'm new to the Rivendell line of bikes, so thanks for your summary. > Can you elaborate on the Legolas?  I don't see many of these around > and not much information seems to be

[RBW] Weights in the real world

2009-03-24 Thread Bruce
Some time, not too far back, there was a discussion of the "heavy" 753 tube set used on early Rivendells made by Waterford. Having time on my hands tonight, I dragged a scale out in the garage and weighed my bikes. All were weighed as is, with regular (in my case 28 to 37 mm) tires, brass bells

[RBW] Re: Weights in the real world

2009-03-24 Thread MichaelH
Thanks for posting this. A few years ago I did a similar experiment with my Ram, SOMA, and world championship, Marinoni classic steel racing frame. The differences were (2 lbs) too small for a recreational cyclist to worry about. In the last few days I have been in communication with Rodriguez

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread David Estes
Vertical compliance On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:37 PM, J. Burkhalter wrote: > > Speaking o' the Legolas, anybody know why it was spec'd with a > threadless setup? > > > > On Mar 24, 12:01 pm, boomer wrote: > > I'm new to the Rivendell line of bikes, so thanks for your summary. > > Can you elabora

[RBW] Re: Weights in the real world

2009-03-24 Thread Bill M.
My '95 Road Std. weighs around 21 lb, maybe a tick less, including bottle cages but no pump or bags. It has a few lighter-than-average parts on it (American Classic seatpost and rear hub, Dia Compe BRS200 brake calipers, Speedplay X1 pedals). Tires are Vittoria Rubino Pro 28 mm (~270 gm IIRC), t

[RBW] Re: Weights in the real world

2009-03-24 Thread Steve
I'll bet the rider weight to structure weight ratio is about 7.5 to one, an amazing relationship given the variety of stresses a bicycle encounters on the road. Bicycles are THE MOST efficient form of transportation ever devised aside from soaring off mountain sides in sailplanes. Steve On Mar

[RBW] Re: Query about RBW models

2009-03-24 Thread erik jensen
i would guess a mixture of weight and strength considerations, the advantages of which are apparent for a full-on racing bicycle. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:37 PM, J. Burkhalter wrote: > > Speaking o' the Legolas, anybody know why it was spec'd with a > threadless setup? > > > > --~--~-~

[RBW] Re: Weights in the real world

2009-03-24 Thread Tim McNamara
On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Bill M. wrote: > The 'less than a full water bottle' arguement always seems specious to > me. I don't carry less water to make up for a heavier bike. That's not the point of that argument. The point is that- at least IME- no one complains that the weight of thei

[RBW] Re: Weights in the real world

2009-03-24 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Bruce wrote: > > Early Rivendell with "stout" tubes : 22 lbs  650B  32mm tires > Nashbar Mark III with 26" wheelset: 23 lbs 559 28 mm tires > Rambouillet:   24 lbs 559 32 mm > tires > Saluki (with fenders and fro

[RBW] Re: Weights in the real world

2009-03-24 Thread CuriousTourer
What about sailboats? On Mar 24, 6:44 pm, Steve wrote: > I'll bet the rider weight to structure weight ratio is about 7.5 to > one, an amazing relationship given the variety of stresses a bicycle > encounters on the road.  Bicycles are THE MOST efficient form of > transportation ever devised asi