I'll bet the rider weight to structure weight ratio is about 7.5 to
one, an amazing relationship given the variety of stresses a bicycle
encounters on the road.  Bicycles are THE MOST efficient form of
transportation ever devised aside from soaring off mountain sides in
sailplanes.

Steve

On Mar 24, 6:46 pm, Bruce <fullylug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Some time, not too far back, there was a discussion of the "heavy" 753 tube 
> set used on early Rivendells made by Waterford. Having time on my hands 
> tonight, I dragged a scale out in the garage and weighed my bikes.  All were 
> weighed as is, with regular (in my case 28 to 37 mm) tires, brass bells, 
> steel railed leather saddles, and saddle bags (these were emptied though) 
> Things like pedals and bottle cages, and cylcometers are all attached. Many 
> of you know that the manufacturers who tout how light their bikes are take 
> much of this stuff off and fit the skinniest, thinnest tires they can on for 
> the weighing.
>
> Early Rivendell with "stout" tubes : 22 lbs      650B  32mm tires
> Nashbar Mark III with 26" wheelset: 23 lbs     559     28 mm tires
> Rambouillet:                                   24 lbs     559     32 mm tires
> Saluki (with fenders and front rack )  27.5 lbs   650B   37 mm tires
>
> They all feel great to ride, and honestly, the weight of two filled water 
> bottles on the 1st bike makes it about as heavy as the last without the 
> water!  Of course, weights vary based on equipment, but nothing here is all 
> that heavy, considering what you get for the weight that's there.

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