Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-12 Thread Michael Hechmer
Others may be "loving" this thread, but I'm finding it a bit mystifying. First, I've owned a lot of different brakes in the past 35 years and with two exceptions they all provided both good stoping and good modulation. I don't know why I would want to switch to V brakes to get better stopping

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-12 Thread Joe Broach
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > I'm loving this debate.  I have both canti and V-brakes. > > I love the way the cantis look, and I'm marginally satisfied with > their performance (although I suspect I just haven't figured out the > optimal setup) I'd recommend getting y

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-12 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 19:37 -0700, ted wrote: > Regarding the "link wire" design for cantilevers, color me ignorant. > But it sounds to me like a sort of hybrid design. If it doesn't have a > straddle cable I wouldn't have thought it was appropriate to call the > thing a cantilever brake. Not muc

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-12 Thread Steven Frederick
Yeah, those V-brake levers are too narrow. I struggled to get used to them on Noodle bars for a few hundred miles. I had a set on another bike a while back and liked them fine so it was puzzling. Then I realized that older bike had dirtdrop bars on it that had some flare and that might make a di

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and form follows function. I think old rod-brake English roadsters have a nice aesthetic, but I'd never go out of my way to own or ride one. I believe a lot of cantilever-brake-love has to do with Joe B's observation that v-brakes are seen as new technology

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 09:18 -0700, Joe Broach wrote: > Ugly probably shouldn't matter on a bike, but for some reason it does. Why shouldn't it? We are, after all, descended from the same people who painted cave walls 35,000 years ago. What could be more characteristically human than art and aest

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-11 Thread Joe Broach
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM, ted wrote: > One of the key features of V brakes is that the tension in the brake > cable is lower that that in a cantilever, side pull, or dual-pivot > brake. You lost me here. What do you mean by "tension in the brake cable"? If you're talking about brake return

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
This is wrong. I ride almost everyday with v-brakes, and find that I can apply the brakes in a wide range of modulation from zero to "locked". After years with cantilevers, the first time with the added power of v-brakes did take some practice to modulate (two or three stops was enough practice)

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 17:02 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > I wonder why folks value modulation so highly? In my view, the primary > purpose of brakes is to stop effectively, and therefore, the more > powerful brake is my usual preference. It's because when I put the brakes on I do n

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Replying to Jim: Jim, the difference between the only really nice cantis I've used, the IRCs that came stock on my ersthwhile Sam Hill, and all the Vs and Avid BB7s I've used, is noticeable. The IRCs were easily as powerful as the Vs and probably more powerful than the Avids, but the power was full

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread EricP
Have my SimpleOne set up with 720s and my Sam Hillborne with Deore V brakes. I do notice a difference. The 720s modulate, but they don't stop as well, IMO. At least not quickly. Had to really plan out a stop at the bottom of a descent today. Eventually will swap pads to see if that helps.

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I wonder why folks value modulation so highly? In my view, the primary purpose of brakes is to stop effectively, and therefore, the more powerful brake is my usual preference. With v-brakes, scrubbing speed in tight downhill corners or whatever isn't difficult at all to modulate, UNLESS you are

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I wonder why folks value modulation so highly? In my view, the primary purpose of brakes is to stop effectively, and therefore, the more powerful brake is my usual preference. With v-brakes, scrubbing speed in tight downhill corners or whatever isn't difficult at all to modulate, UNLESS you are

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread Brian Hanson
Thanks Ryan and Matt. To the rest of you - wow! Start another thread already :) Brian - heading home soon to sand them posts... On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, rcnute wrote: > Brian--Matt is of course absolutely right in terms of sanding the > canti posts lightly until the friction is remov

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread Peter Morgano
Just put new pads on my MB2 and what a pain in the arse to adjust the old post type cantis to stop them from squealing, almost enough for me to try V Brakes. I do all my own wrenching here at home but that is the one job that is just maddening. Cue people's comments as to how easy it is to adjust c

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 09:33 -0700, dougP wrote: > Just returned from a tour using a rental bike with V-brakes, and now > giving serious consideration to that option. Day One I almost pitched > over the h'bars when a pedestrian stepped into a crosswalk as I was > mid-instersection. Note this was a

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread Steve Park
I use them with Campy road levers with good results. On Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:23:33 AM UTC-4, GRAVELBIKE.com wrote: > > > Have you used the CX70s with integrated brake/shift levers? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:33 PM, dougP wrote: > Just returned from a tour using a rental bike with V-brakes, and now > giving serious consideration to that option.  Day One I almost pitched > over the h'bars when a pedestrian stepped into a crosswalk as I was > mid-instersection.  Note this was a

RE: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread Mark Chandler
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:19:57 -0700 > Subject: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice > From: steve...@gmail.com > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > IMO the CR720 brakes are pretty bad in almost every way except price, > and you could very likely spend a lot of time optimizing t

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread clyde canter
Not sure. My setup had Alba bars and levers specifically for V brakes. Changed the levers to short pulls when I set up the CR720s. Are there any V brakes that work with regular drop bar levers and brifters? On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 08:58

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 08:58 -0400, clyde canter wrote: > Hmmm. I had to do the same thing when I first set up my Samusing > Deore V brakes no less. Like you said a light polishing corrected > the snugness. I don't like V brakes very much and oddly, IMO anyway, > liked the Deore's less than

Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

2012-05-10 Thread clyde canter
Hmmm. I had to do the same thing when I first set up my Samusing Deore V brakes no less. Like you said a light polishing corrected the snugness. I don't like V brakes very much and oddly, IMO anyway, liked the Deore's less than other's I have used. I find all V brakes too grabby with hard