Re: [RBW] Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

2017-04-28 Thread Will Ashe
I'd be very curious to see front random bag vs rear saddlebag. I think I've heard in the past that a rando bag acts as a faring and is more aerodynamic. On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 3:47:36 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Very interesting; thanks for posting this. I was particularly intere

Re: [RBW] Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

2017-04-28 Thread Patrick Moore
Very interesting; thanks for posting this. I was particularly interested to see that he found very little difference between front and rear panniers; IIRC, BQ claimed that fronts dragged less than rears. Am I right, or am I not remembering correctly? At any rate, this matters to me, because based o

Re: [RBW] Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-19 Thread Richard Lawrence
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:41:03 AM UTC-7, Peter Adler wrote: > > There are roll-top pannier people, and there are flappy-top pannier > people. The only way to find out which one you *really* are is to buy the > other kind of panniers, ride around with them for a while, and realize how > muc

Re: [RBW] Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-18 Thread Peter Adler
There are roll-top pannier people, and there are flappy-top pannier people. The only way to find out which one you *really* are is to buy the other kind of panniers, ride around with them for a while, and realize how much you hate them. I used to ride around town with a full set of purple OverL

Re: [RBW] Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-16 Thread Anne Paulson
I would choose the Ortliebs over the Carsick or Sackville panniers because the Ortliebs have a better attachment mechanism. The hooks lock onto your rack, wrapping completely around the rack. To engage them, you just put the hook over the rack and push down. To disengage, you pull up the handle, wh

Re: [RBW] Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, Richard! My question exactly, who not too long ago traded Ortlieb Packer Pluses for Rollers. For my own uses, largely grocery getting, the Rollers are better because they have a much simpler closing system -- no flap, neck, drawstring, multiple super-imposed straps. But I am puzzled as to

Re: [RBW] Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-16 Thread Richard Lawrence
Hi Anne, Thanks for your advice! On Friday, August 15, 2014 11:48:55 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: > > I have Ortlieb roll-top panniers, which I have used on many > long and short tours. > Would you choose the Ortliebs over either the Carsick or SackVille panniers for touring and camping? If

Re: [RBW] Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-16 Thread Ron Mc
you have a good point Matt. Reviewing my e-mails from Brian and Monica when we were waiting for olive canvas from their supplier, I had many more contacts with Monica. On Saturday, August 16, 2014 11:11:19 AM UTC-5, hangtownmatt wrote: > > Anne, I think your are reading way too much into this

Re: [RBW] Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-16 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
Anne, I think your are reading way too much into this. Back when Carsick first started making bags I wanted one of their barrel bags. At that time it was my impression the wife ran the business and he made the bags. She responded to all my e-mails, was willing to meet me personally on a stree

Re: [RBW] Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-15 Thread Anne Paulson
One random thing I'm going to add, though. Here's some text from a Carsick page: "Trying to talk your gal into going on a bicycle tour with you? This one-of-a-kind set of bicycle panniers might just be the answer. (If she likes pink camo). They are light, roomy, and look sharp!" Apparently, in Ca

Re: [RBW] Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-15 Thread Ron Mc
I love my Carsick panniers. They are heavy duty, also heavy, but they really load up. Work great on a Nitto rack, and the roll top makes them very versatile. On Friday, August 15, 2014 1:48:55 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: > > My son has a pair of the TourSacks. I think I bought them on sale

Re: [RBW] Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-15 Thread Anne Paulson
My son has a pair of the TourSacks. I think I bought them on sale. They remain permanently attached to his Rambouillet, which he uses for commuting. I have Ortlieb roll-top panniers, which I have used on many long and short tours. If I were choosing between Carsick and TourSack for touring, I'd us

Re: [RBW] panniers

2012-10-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
They come in different colors; mine are red. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Toshi Takeuchi wrote: > I too use Ortlieb Sport panniers. Another benefit is that they are bright > yellow for good visibility. > > I also like have the small (front) Carridice Super C panniers, but have not > used them

Re: [RBW] panniers

2012-10-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
More accurately, the steepest parts of that hill are 20% or more; there are shallower sections. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:23 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I once grunted 45 lb (including bags) up a 4/10 mile, 20% grade on my > erstwhile 67" '73 Motobecane grocery fixie at 20 rpm (4 mph). > Yesterday

Re: [RBW] panniers

2012-10-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I once grunted 45 lb (including bags) up a 4/10 mile, 20% grade on my erstwhile 67" '73 Motobecane grocery fixie at 20 rpm (4 mph). Yesterday it was the 24/24 at 60 on the Fargo. Odd: the Motobecane, now belonging to Eric Norris, was built from light 531 and weighed less than my Riv frames, yet it

RE: [RBW] panniers

2012-10-09 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
A vote for Arkels. Very well made, bright colors, extremely solid mounting hardware, and fitted rain covers to deal with Anne's point. I used GT-54s on the rear and GT-18s on the front for a fully loaded tour, and have used GT-18s front and back for smaller loads. Their handlebar bags are ugl

Re: [RBW] panniers

2012-10-09 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
I too use Ortlieb Sport panniers. Another benefit is that they are bright yellow for good visibility. I also like have the small (front) Carridice Super C panniers, but have not used them in the rain. Toshi On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Anne Paulson wrote: > There's a reason why Ortliebs ar

Re: [RBW] panniers

2012-10-09 Thread Anne Paulson
There's a reason why Ortliebs are so popular among tourists. That reason is not fashion. The first day you ride hours and hours in the rain, and are then able to pull out dry clothes (or not), is the day you realize you want Ortliebs. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Don wrote: > OK, having picke

Re: [RBW] panniers

2012-10-09 Thread Don
Wow, Patrick you get the award. 35 pounds of groceries. Actually I was thinking of picking up a BOB Yak 28 Plus for grocery runs. On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:02:01 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I have a pair of Ortlieb Packer Pluses and a front pair of Ortlieb > Packer Sports or whatever

Re: [RBW] panniers

2012-10-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Forgot to add: one of my current favorites is a home-brew hack for a largish-medium Timbuktu to which I riveted a dowel that I can toe-strap to my rack. (Note that this is floppy and unconstructed: you can successfully use it only with a rack that supports it away from the spokes.) The shoulder str

Re: [RBW] panniers

2012-10-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I have a pair of Ortlieb Packer Pluses and a front pair of Ortlieb Packer Sports or whatever they are called. The nicest panniers I've used (not that I've used many: Carradice small ones, Axioms both Dutch and Standard, Avenirs, Nashbars). The QR mounting system with quick adjust features is excell

Re: [RBW] panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:35 PM, jandrews_nyc wrote: > I think I read somewhere that Riv is going to release a pannier set... > Does anyone know if this is true? I'm in the market for a set...maybe > two and don't want to purchase until I see what Riv comes up with... > Will they be part of the Sac