Thanks, Richard! My question exactly, who not too long ago traded Ortlieb
Packer Pluses for Rollers.

For my own uses, largely grocery getting, the Rollers are better because
they have a much simpler closing system -- no flap, neck, drawstring,
multiple super-imposed straps. But I am puzzled as to why the Packers would
not be very good for touring, where - I conjecture -- one packs in the
morning at one's leisure and unpacks at night, also at leisure.

I vote for "rain proofing".

Aside: one annoyance with at least the Ortliebe Rollers I have is that, if
you store them in a cold garage in winter, the heavily plasticized fabric
becomes stiff and this makes it moderately awkward to fold them together
and roll them up. Picking at nits, but a nit I have picked.


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Richard Lawrence <wyle...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> What makes the roll-top design better?  Is it because it is more
> weatherproof? more accessible? allows more overstuffing?
>
>
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