Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

Follow up with my observatin' on the clamping area. The VO is significantly smaller clamping area @ 28mmend to end. The Nitto has 40mm , Thomson 42mm

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

Goes on my interwebs wisdom list. All I'll ever need to know about finding the right seat. -JImD On Jan 12, 2011, at 8:52 AM Jan 12, 2011, Justin August wrote: Butts are like opinions. Everyone has one and they're all different. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to th

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

I got one of those for Xmas, and really like the two bolt design. I am worried about the clamping area as it seems much narrower than a Nitto, Thomspon, or brand X clamp. Seems like it could concentrate vibrations over a smaller area and lead to fatigue on the saddle rails. Time will tell... On

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

Great review Rob. A natural/steel Berthoud Touring saddle is now on its way to me and I'll soon find out if I'll be keeping it and putting all my almost new B-17 saddles on sale or sending it back. Wallinford's 6 month return guarantee is great to try such an expensive saddle. Stay tuned... :-)

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

It's a problem with the saddle's design. If they don't want it pushed that far back, then they should make it so it does not go that far back. Say I came up with some new big water bottle that still fit in a regular cage, but could hold a gallon of water. Then I sold a bunch of them and some of th

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

It's not the customer's fault if the saddle breaks or bends when being pushed back as far as it will go. If S-A does not want anyone doing it, they should make the adjustable part of the rails shorter. Jay Hartman On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Bill M. wrote: > Mike, > > The S-A can indeed b

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

Oh heck, since I refer to it so much, here is that section entire: The Fore-Aft Saddle Position Now we get to what I think is the most important part of fitting a bicycle, the fore-aft position of the saddle. Once you get this right, everything else is easy. This position is determined more by ho

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

Mike: don't use your saddle position to adjust your bar position; do it the other way 'round: get your saddle right and then get the stem you need for the right bar position. This will solve your saddle problem by, perhaps, transferring the problem to the stem -- the last (Salsa) custom stems cost

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

regarding b17 vs. berthoud touring... are the rails longer on the berthoud...or just as short as on the b17? On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:46 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud > because it is French, and, how many dislike it because it

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

Yes it would... :-) Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 7, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > Rene: > > If the Berthoud works out, COULD this mean you may have a veritable > arsenal of B17s available for sale??? (tee hee hee) > > Bobby "I've already bought a B17 from Rene" Birmingham > > On

RE: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud because it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? JimP > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:10:11 -0800 > Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring > From: leec...@gmail.com > To:

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

Thanks for all the responses. I'm ordering one tonight to try it. I like the B17 except for its nose up position to prevent sliding forward. Always thought it should be flatter. Seems like the Berthoud Touring might make me completely happy. René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 7, 2011, at 1:54 PM

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > > Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return it.   It > looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a benefit if > you buy thier saddle bags too. > > I would also out of desperation try it if I didn'

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

Yes, just mount and tighten clamp. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Lee wrote: > Joel and Clayton: > > I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin > than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it > to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have y

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring saddle. I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough room a

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: > Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in > optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as > well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 06:46 -0800, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > Few things in life bring a smile to my face like a good discussion > about the B17... 100+ year-old design, millions of miles... says an > awful lot. There's all sorts of evolution that's happened in the past 100 years, but asses haven't

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 06:24 -0800, Christian wrote: > > I have direct experience. While my B-17 was very comfortable it did > not last. I wore it out in about 4500 miles--it started sagging to > one side and became asymmetrical. So, it was really comfortable until > it wasn't. I have heard fro