[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread David Faller
Subject: [RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber on 5/31/09 8:58 PM, dpco at dcompton1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: > its very hard to answer that question without making negative remarks > about riv models. i like my riv, but on this forum, there is a lot of > disinformation reg

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread CycloFiend
on 5/31/09 8:58 PM, dpco at dcompton1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: > its very hard to answer that question without making negative remarks > about riv models. i like my riv, but on this forum, there is a lot of > disinformation regarding other brands, especially carbon brands. Actually, this forum te

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread Bill M.
On May 31, 7:14 pm, Brewster Fong wrote: > On May 31, 7:20 am, "Bill M." wrote: > > > I like my crabon go-fast too, but today I'll be riding my Riv Road, on > > 28 mm Rubino Pros that won't fit the Calfee, > > Actually, Calfee now offers an option to fit 28 or 35mm wide tires. It > cost betwee

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread dpco
its very hard to answer that question without making negative remarks about riv models. i like my riv, but on this forum, there is a lot of disinformation regarding other brands, especially carbon brands. my frame is one step down from the top frame. the frameset is a bargain. i have a ram, a tour

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread Brewster Fong
On May 31, 7:20 am, "Bill M." wrote: > I like my crabon go-fast too, but today I'll be riding my Riv Road, on > 28 mm Rubino Pros that won't fit the Calfee, > Actually, Calfee now offers an option to fit 28 or 35mm wide tires. It cost between $100-150 more, but if you want wider tires, you can

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread BPustow
Am I correct in assuming it's one of the lower end Roubaix models? The top of the line S-Works lists, and sells, for $2900 for the frame, fork and headset - unless, of course, you picked up one of the older models. The Roubaix has changed, (hopefully improved), each year over the last 3 - 4

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread dpco
actually, my roubaix frameset cost me $1935 out the door and included frame, fork,. headset, stem, and handlebars. that includes sales tax. not quite twice the cost of a new sam and less than most highend steel framesets. the frames are made in taiwan. in reality, many steel and aluminum framesets

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread Scott G.
On May 31, 10:20 am, "Bill M." wrote: .  There was only one steel frame (a Steve Rex) and > one ti Lightspeed in the group, the other dozen bikes were all > carbon.  The times are changing... > > Bill depends on where you live. Todays ride, 6 riders, 4 Waterfords, 1 Kvale, 1 Specialized. Sco

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread RoadieRyan
I have had the pleasure of riding a Specialized Tarmac comp (Roubaix's sporter cousin) a few times and it is a blast, As I was doing a casual downhhill I looked at the computer expecting to see about 25 MPH and it was 40! OTH while great on a fast ride on good roads not real versitile and where

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread rcnute
Or at least a tastier apple. :) On May 31, 10:49 am, "carnerda...@bellsouth.net" wrote: > I think the second poster in this thread expressed a desire to turn an > apple into a kumquat. > I realize I was stretching the cost factor, as the "street price" is > rarely the same as the MSRP. > David

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread carnerda...@bellsouth.net
I think the second poster in this thread expressed a desire to turn an apple into a kumquat. I realize I was stretching the cost factor, as the "street price" is rarely the same as the MSRP. David Bill M. wrote: > A Sam frameset runs $1000. One of my co-workers just helped a friend > choose a

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread BPustow
In a message dated 5/30/2009 11:34:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dcompton1...@sbcglobal.net writes: i am a true believer in grant's fit process. i love my 60cm blue ram. but, i broke down and purchased a 56cm specialized roubaix frameset. on my ram, i run grand bois 700x28 with 75psi front

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread David Estes
I wasn't implying it was the smart thing to do... :-) On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:21 AM, carnerda...@bellsouth.net < carnerda...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > ...and only twice the cost plus change ($1800) of a new Sam. > > On May 30, 11:25 pm, David Estes wrote: > > How 'bout their Cross bikes? > htt

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread Bill M.
A Sam frameset runs $1000. One of my co-workers just helped a friend choose a new road bike. The friend got a Roubaix/105 bike for about $2000 on sale, or about what a complete Sam would cost. But, it's an apples-to-kumquats comparison. Nobody seriously considering a Roubaix would consider Sam

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-31 Thread carnerda...@bellsouth.net
...and only twice the cost plus change ($1800) of a new Sam. On May 30, 11:25 pm, David Estes wrote: > How 'bout their Cross > bikes?http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?sid=09Tricross&eid... > > No fenders, but at least some wider tires and what you would presume is a > strong bu

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-30 Thread David Estes
How 'bout their Cross bikes? http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?sid=09Tricross&eid=123 No fenders, but at least some wider tires and what you would presume is a strong build... DE On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:58 PM, rcnute wrote: > > I had a Roubaix Elite a few years ago. It was

[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

2009-05-30 Thread rcnute
I had a Roubaix Elite a few years ago. It was a really fun bike and I did a double century on it with no problems. I wish they'd taken it a couple steps further so I could have made at least some attempt to fit wider tires, fenders, etc. On May 30, 8:34 pm, dpco wrote: > i am a true believer i