Check out the PDW Dios Thronos. We have them on our "rain bikes".
https://ridepdw.com/collections/web-specials/products/dios-thronous?variant=24825148865#
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thanks all!
i'm pretty sure the destroying of the jeans is due to the rough texture of
the cambium (though it does smooth out the longer you own it) and the rivet
right at the nose of the saddle. if i can't find a saddle cover that fits,
i'll try one of those wtb saddles. i'd love a rivet, but
I agree with Johnny here...get a saddle that doesn't bleed dye. There just
isn't a reason a saddle has to be made out of leather...plenty of good ones
out there that can sit out in the rain and not bleed.
My cross bike has a WTB saddle and it is comfortable and my road bike had
the stock Trek
Bailey's Wild Ass Jeans. Not my first choice for riding, but by far the
best bang for the buck for work pants. I have several pairs of the double
layer for timber work that I do.
http://www.baileysonline.com/Clothing/Men-s-Clothing/Jeans/Wild-Ass/Wild-Ass-US-Made-Single-Front-Blue-Denim-Logg
I know the jeans dilemma. Once you find a brand and model that works,
change is hard to face. So, if I may offer some food for thought.
Maybe it's the jeans and how they fit? Perhaps try the Levi's (or other
brand) cycling jeans that have a hint of lycra in them?
I got around the Brooks dye b
For me, these wear really well. Made for rubbing and abrasion in a way
denim is not. They are my main knickers now (my wife cuts um and adds
elastic.)
http://www.duluthtrading.com/search/searchresults/86125.aspx?kw=fire%20hose%20jeans&processor=content
With abandon,
Patrick
On Monday, April 3,
I have had no issues with staining from my "natural" (undyed) leather
Brooks. I still wear through crotches on a regular basis, though, even on
the smooth leather - I just had to "retire" (to gardening duty) another
pair of shorts last week.
-John
On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:56:28 PM UTC-4
For those jeans, you can always send them
to: http://www.indigoproof.com/repair-your-jeans/denim-repair-1
Rain, the owner, works magic here in Portland with vintage sewing machines.
JAB @ Rivelo in PDX
On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 7:56:28 PM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> Looking fo
I second the Rivet. I have one on my Hunq and another on a Moots go-fast,
and love 'em. They're a bit pricey but comfortable and, so far, no
evidence of bleed.
Kevin
On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 7:31:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Rivet. Debbie's great to work with and the saddles are
Rivet. Debbie's great to work with and the saddles are brilliant. I ride a
Diablo on both my Hunqa and QB. One white, one black. No bleed ever.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:56:28 PM UTC-6, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> Looking for some advice. I have a Brooks Cambium
While the covers will work it seems silly to have a saddle that you can't
use without a cover on it. Saddles are a personal thing but my usual go to
when it isn't a Brooks is a Fizik Aliante on a road bike and a WTB saddle
for almost anything else. They are well made, comfortable, cheap and
l
Saddle cover! I primarily use the old grey one Riv used to make/sell, but
the Aardvark works fine, too.
Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA
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I went with the Pearl. Fingers crossed.
On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 4:44:14 PM UTC+3, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Which model did you decide on? I've been eyeing the new-ish Loveland model
> for my wife's Clementine. Seems to be very similar to the discontinued
> Brooks B68.
> David
> Chicago
>
>
What do you think, does this pass the Turing test?
On 04/07/2016 07:07 PM, Garth wrote:
It's self-explanatory . . . . I expressed it as so because I cannot
deny or question it. Absolute means Absolute , Absolutely. Whole.
Total. Complete. Infinite. Self Existent. Anything less/other than to
It's self-explanatory . . . . I expressed it as so because I cannot deny
or question it. Absolute means Absolute , Absolutely. Whole. Total.
Complete. Infinite. Self Existent. Anything less/other than to it would be
the only bullshit. Since there is nothing else, there is nothing to
bullshi
Huh, never would have thought a 2mm thicker saddle would be more
comfortable than a thinner one. I love the Special because it doesn't feel
like a granite counter top. But having just worn one out in under 2 years,
I guess you must be on to something...
On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 4:49:57 PM
Oh great, dueling bullshit. Nice photo though.
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http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/
On 04/07/2016 05:31 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Oh, silly grasshoppers! His Garthness is Absolute and Perfect,
therefore when astride his bicycle forgoes earthly constraints such as
saddles.
On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 12:09:03 PM UTC-
Oh, silly grasshoppers! His Garthness is Absolute and Perfect, therefore
when astride his bicycle forgoes earthly constraints such as saddles.
On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 12:09:03 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Would you be willing to share the code for your aphorism generator with
> th
Would you be willing to share the code for your aphorism generator with
the list?
On 04/07/2016 12:05 PM, Garth wrote:
The Absolute could not BE The Absolute and there be "other than
Absolute" (imperfect of course because it would not be Absolute)
.where would the "you" that does not ag
The Absolute could not BE The Absolute and there be "other than Absolute"
(imperfect of course because it would not be Absolute)
.where would the "you" that does not agree be ?
that's all I have to say about that ;)
On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 10:50:31 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 04/07/2016 10:32 AM, Garth wrote:
Yes . . . . been on they endless search for the perfect saddle,
oh heck . . .. everything ! But damn funny this just happened . . .
. "for the saddle to be perfect the rider must also be perfect. It is
impossible for perfection to exist with imperf
Yes . . . . been on they endless search for the perfect saddle, oh
heck . . .. everything ! But damn funny this just happened . . . . "for
the saddle to be perfect the rider must also be perfect. It is impossible
for perfection to exist with imperfection. " . Huh . How about that . .
Which model did you decide on? I've been eyeing the new-ish Loveland model
for my wife's Clementine. Seems to be very similar to the discontinued
Brooks B68.
David
Chicago
On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 8:22:13 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I ordered the Rivet.
> That means I will have an
Toji, if you want, please tell your friend that I would have been happy to buy
directly from them but they didn't have the burgundy or chestnut in stock. I
think either of those are a better matxh for my green Sam than the black, white
or red that they have right now.
I've been cycling a long
Toji, if you want, please tell your friend that I would have been happy to buy
directly from them but they didn't have the burgundy or chestnut in stock. I
think either of those are a better matxh for my green Sam than the black, white
or red that they have right now.
I've been cycling a long
I have 3 Rivets and love them, but as a disclosure I am a friend of the
owner of Rivet. I use the Pearl.
Good luck!
Toshi in Oakland
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
> I'm going to try the Rivet. $137 shipped from SJS
>
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On 04/05/2016 07:59 PM, Lee Legrand wrote:
What about Gilles Berthoud?
Much thicker leather than a Brooks, and a significantly different
shape. I like them a lot. But be advised, it takes at least 500 miles
to break one in.
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B68 saddles come up on ebay now and then, that's where I picked one up.
Works as intended w/ Albatross bar set up.
On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Lee Legrand wrote:
> What about Gilles Berthoud?
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You wouldn't think that 2mm is signific
What about Gilles Berthoud?
On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
> You wouldn't think that 2mm is significant, but my 17 Select is by far the
> most comfortable saddle I've owned, and it was great brand new. Every time
> I ride my regular 17s, it feels like there's something wrong
I am about the least discerning saddle rider on this list, but my next full
price saddle will be a Rivet. They were so nice at NAHBS, and the details
are beautiful: https://flic.kr/p/DEM31o Some saddles have a fabric
reinforcing layer under the leather. The fabric is beautifully patterned,
"Bec
I'm also riding my B17 select on an upright bike. Several thousand miles,
and it's great. I had a special before and could tell it was stretching on
the upright in a few hundred miles. My semi-upright moustache bar bike
does great with a special.
On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 5:58:46 PM UTC
Ooops, sorry, I missed that you said you were using Albatross bars.
My sit bones measure about the same as yours. On my Hunqapillar w/
albatross bars, Nitto lugged seatpost and saddle slid all the way back, I
like the Berthoud Mente best (the Vars is the expensive titanium version of
the Ment
You wouldn't think that 2mm is significant, but my 17 Select is by far the most
comfortable saddle I've owned, and it was great brand new. Every time I ride my
regular 17s, it feels like there's something wrong with them.
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Wait... what is the difference between the select and the special? I
thought that was the same thing!
On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Ron Mc wrote:
> my all time favorite is the B17 select, Rivet second, B17 special 3rd.
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Rivet. The rails are longer than the Brooks. And don't seem to break, like
my Anatomica's. But it feels similar to the Anatomica.
On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 7:41:44 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Seeking the collective wisdom of the group before spending $$ on
> another new saddle that m
Ever try the B17 special?
Here's what I've tried:
Brooks Swift: Comfy when you're in a tucked aero position riding hard.
Otherwise n thanks
Brooks B17 Narrow: Hard as a rock and too narrow
Brooks B17: Better, but still pretty hard. Maybe it would break in after a
long, long time?
Brooks B
What's your handle bar set up?
On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 7:41:44 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Seeking the collective wisdom of the group before spending $$ on
> another new saddle that may or may not fit me on my Sam Hillborne.
>
> HISTORY
> Brooks B17N - too narrow, what was I think
Sounds like the Rivet would be worth trying, it's the only way to know
. They have a 365 day no questions return policy if you were not aware of
it.
On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 10:41:44 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Seeking the collective wisdom of the group before spending $$ o
Rivet. All the way.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 8:41:44 AM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Seeking the collective wisdom of the group before spending $$ on
> another new saddle that may or may not fit me on my Sam Hillborne.
>
> HISTORY
> Brooks B17N - too narrow, what
Thanks to everyone who suggested dropping the nose on the saddle - it
worked great, and I'm riding comfortably now!
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:42:11 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the
> saddle isn't as comfort
Hey thanks, Sky! It's defintely my dream bike.
Dropping the nose of the saddle seems to have helped some, but the true
test is a ride of 20km or more.
Cheers,
Cecily
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:19:27 AM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hey congrats on the Betty foy. I saw the frame hanging
Hey congrats on the Betty foy. I saw the frame hanging in Dream Cycles a couple
weeks ago. I'm sure making do with what you have is a more frugal choice, but
my wife just switched from a b68 on her Betty to a b17 imperial s and she's
pretty happy with the change.
Sky
Burnaby
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Hmmm, OK Leslie, thanks for the tip...I'm rather attached to those S-83
posts:)
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:45:48 PM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> You can get the Nitto S83 in different sizes; my Bombadil uses the 26.8
> size; I don't 'know' for sure that it is available in 27.0, but,
Ryan,
You can get the Nitto S83 in different sizes; my Bombadil uses the 26.8
size; I don't 'know' for sure that it is available in 27.0, but, it's not
a 27.2-only post
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ryan wrote:
>
> Not the jewelry that Nitto seatposts are...but not bad l
Not the jewelry that Nitto seatposts are...but not bad looking at
all...good enough for the X0-1. I also saw that the Thompson has quite a
range of sizes and diameters, as well...but they are a bit spendy and I
think I've burned through my bike allowance this year already:) Thanks for
the tip!
"Unfortunately it uses a 27.0mm diameter post( will check Paul or Thompson
for this size)"
Check the IRD webstore for a nice looking seatpost at 27.0 on closeout.
http://store.interlocracing.com/type2quad270mm.html
No setback, though.
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:20:01 PM UTC-7, Ryan wrot
Or the Nitto S-83...I've switched over to these from my Campy one-bolters
on my 2 Rivendells. I had a broken rail on one of my B-17's on my
X0-1. Unfortunately it uses a 27.0mm diameter post( will check Paul or
Thompson for this size). I'm under 200lbs but probably over 180.
Cecily, experimen
Diane, excellent tips for the wee-handed! On a similar front, the Shimano
MTB silver brake levers are also nice for us because they have reach adjust
screws that allow the lever to be closer to the grip.
Liesl, I know what you mean. I bought a 6" piece of small diameter, thick
> walled pipe t
Liesl, I know what you mean. I bought a 6" piece of small diameter, thick
walled pipe that I use on the hex key to give me more leverage and a rubber
mallet to whack the nose of the saddle. Careful and judicious use of both
seems to work well for me.
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:52:31 PM UTC-6
Cecily-
I'm a large mammal; I weigh 210# now (was #260 a couple years ago) and I
have no problems with my Brooks. I have a B17 Select on my gofast bike
(Giordana XL-Eco) and a Brooks Flyer on my Rivendell Road Standard. I like
the springs of the Flyer because I bounce on the saddle a lot when tr
Cecily, I have spent a lot of time and experimentation trying to help my
wife solve a chafing problem. Her single now has a Terry Fly and the tandem
a B17. We've been through the up down routine and have settled on level.
A switch to Albas has helped. But not all the problem turned out to b
I'm 250, ride B17's on each of my Riv's, haven't had any problems w/ the
saddles yet...
-L
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:42:11 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the
> saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be wh
You may need to pound the saddle forward (or back) using the heel of your hand.
Even a small amount can make a big difference.
With abandon,
Patrick
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I'll definitely give it a try. After the ride last weekend and today, I was
seriously considering buying padded cycling shorts. Nobody needs to see me
in those. :D
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:03:05 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Cecily, I just went through a few weeks of dialing in my Brooks. I
Cecily, I just went through a few weeks of dialing in my Brooks. I have the
B68, basically your saddle without the springs. I was having the same issues
you described - pressure where it was unwanted, sliding off the nose of the
saddle when I tilted down, tried scooting it forward, thinking tha
I'll definitely try moving it forward a bit if I can. I know my seat rails
are bent a bit, and while the bike mechanic was able to straighten them
somewhat, I remember him saying I'd be limited to how far forward/back I
moved the saddle because of the bent rails.
Of course, now I'm wondering wh
I have the Velo Orange Grand Cru seatpost, which theoretically makes it
possible to move the seatpost fore and aft easily. I found out, however,
that the seat rails on my saddle are bent and I may be limited to how far
forward/back I can move the saddle. :-/
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p
This is the reason I pretty much avoid single bolt seatposts like the
plague. The nitto S83 is a nice two bolt post, and only $13 more (from RBW)
than the crystal fellow.
I think the S83 has a bit more set back than the crystal fellow too.
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 7:52:31 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrot
With respect to adjusting the tilt of the saddle, I found that some
seatposts are better than others at allowing one to make some pretty fine
adjustments. If you are like me, my small female hands can't always
tighten up a Nitto post with a good adjustment at the same time. I've
found that I
As Diane says - don't give up. I have spent days getting my wife and
daughters saddles adjusted - and they are all three adjusted differently.
The nose tilt is critical and I adjust that in very small increments.
Interesting to me, the saddle didn't seem to be as important as the
adjustment. Good l
Cecily, I've adjusted the seat tilt up and down, in small increments, and
I think I finally have it dialed in. Don't give up just yet!
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:42:11 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the
> sa
Yes, as Patrick said, the rails and undercarriage are the same (maybe
a bit longer/wider on some models). Play around with the tilt/height
and then see about a different saddle.
On 8/25/13, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> The rails are the same I believe. But before you switch saddles, you may
> want
The rails are the same I believe. But before you switch saddles, you may
want to play with (one at a time to not confuse the issue) tilt of the nose
up/down, sliding the saddle forward or back (try this first, moving it
forward first based on what you wrote), and height. What you describe may
w
The issue may also be the saddle width.
A standard B-17 is really painful to me but a B-17N or narrow works much
better. The Sele Italia Rolls is another one that I find to be really
comfortable
You may just have a little narrower bone structure than other people
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:10 AM,
I commute with my shorts here in hot swampy houston sometimes the
entire week. :D
At the very least two days in a row. But it's only 12 miles each way.
No issues here.
But I do shower immediately after each ride like you said.
On Sep 16, 12:47 pm, Drew Ellison wrote:
> Hello,
> Don't know if thi
work well under
> > MUSA shorts and you don't see the "diaper". The Zoic shorts
> > are very comfortable as well and are in a rotation with MUSA.
> >
> >
> > I wear liners when breaking in new leather saddles and
ing in new leather saddles and on
> rides over about 30 miles.
>
> --- On Wed, 9/16/09, David Estes
> wrote:
>
> From: David Estes
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddles
> To: rbw-owners-b
> I wear liners when breaking in new leather saddles and on rides over about
> 30 miles.
>
> --- On *Wed, 9/16/09, David Estes * wrote:
>
>
> From: David Estes
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddles
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
>
> I don't like havin
Drew makes excellent points. There was a great article about saddle
sores in one of the Rivendell Readers. In fact... here's the article:
http://www.rivbike.com/article/misc/saddle_sores
I actually had a pretty impressive knot earlier this week. I work in
an ER and made a joke to a coworker abou
is my experience
after about 15 saddles and 35 years of riding.
I can sit comfortably on my broken in B17 most of the day even without cycle
shorts, but do stay away from seams between you and the seat.
--- On Wed, 9/16/09, cm wrote:
From: cm
Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddles
To: "RBW Owners Bu
Hello,
Don't know if this'll help, but haven't seen anyone else mention this.
Cleanliness is key to maintaining good health in the nether regions. I
have adult onset saddle sores I deal with, every year now. Never a
problem until about 5 years ago. Your description sounds similar.
Here's wh
I have had that problem in the past.
It happened at a time I was putting a lot of miles in so I also
assumed it was the saddle. Turned out to be roofing in Carheart pants.
The stitching was rubbing me all day long.
On Sep 15, 4:35 pm, avillage wrote:
> Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and he
Ultimately I found this a trial and error process. I started with a
B-17 and it was reasonably comfortable for under 50 mile rides.
Unbearably painful over that "trip wire" distance. I found the Terry
Liberator Y to be the most comfortable all day saddle and have it on
most of my bikes (its even
I say get rid of the Brooks. It ain't that comfy AND you have a butt
knot? hmmm... I think there are no better looking, more storied
saddles than Brooks, but if they dont work for you, they dont work. I
took the Brooks off my Riv and put on a Fizik-- a saddle that works
really well for me. I tried
an Andiamo and similar. They work well under MUSA shorts and you
> don't see the "diaper". The Zoic shorts are very comfortable as well and are
> in a rotation with MUSA.
> I wear liners when breaking in new leather saddles and on rides over about 30
> miles.
> --- On W
They work well under MUSA shorts and you don't see the
"diaper". The Zoic shorts are very comfortable as well and are in a rotation
with MUSA.
I wear liners when breaking in new leather saddles and on rides over about 30
miles.
--- On Wed, 9/16/09, David Estes wrote:
From: David
I had a boil develop pretty much under/right next to my sit bone where it
contacted the saddle and had the seam of underwear (boxer-brief kind)
rubbing on the same spot. TMI? Wearing regular boxer underwear with only a
center seam gets rid of part of the problem, but now I seem pre-disposed to
a
By bike clothes I'm referring to a diaper equipped leotard.
But seriously, I feel like I've had a problem in the past cycling in
cotton underwear and shorts/pants due to seams.
I wonder if there is a flickr page dedicated to saddle sores...
On Sep 16, 6:39 am, Seth Vidal wrote:
> On Wed, Sep
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Mike wrote:
>
> I wonder if the source of the "knot" is your clothing? Are you
> commuting bike clothes or just regular clothes.
What are these "Bike Clothes" you speak of?
Do they have a bicycle built into them?
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On Sep 15, 2:50 pm, Richard wrote:
> This won't help now, but a call to Avocet indicates the O2 might be
> available next Spring. If the saddles become available, the Avocet
> rep also said he will direct to the consumer.
>
I use to love Avocet products, especially their O2 saddles and the old
I have a B-17 and two Selle Anatomica's. The SA's beat the Brooks
hands down. And they're waterproof.
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I haven't adjusted the saddle since the initial break-in period...you
know, ride a while, adjust a bit, ride some more, repeat, try to hit
the sweet spot. Haven't thought that another adjustment might be
necessary. Makes sense, though.
Reading that Avocet might produce again...well, I have hope f
I have had great luck with Terry saddles. I have used a Liberator, a
Fly and a Fly Tri gel, all with great results. YMMV.
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on 9/15/09 1:35 PM, avillage at avill...@verizon.net wrote:
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> Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
> to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
> reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
> Previously, I'd ri
+1. The cheap WTB saddles are pretty nice. And for you, it would be
an inexpensive way to make sure the Broos "isn't" causing the issue.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On Sep 15, 3:41�pm, Seth Vidal wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM, avillage wrote:
>
> > Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and
have you done micro adjusting of b17 angle and setback. they are
subtle sun a guns and seems sometime a milli here or there can change
a lot with that old clunker of a saddle.
On Sep 15, 2:50 pm, Richard wrote:
> This won't help now, but a call to Avocet indicates the O2 might be
> available ne
This won't help now, but a call to Avocet indicates the O2 might be
available next Spring. If the saddles become available, the Avocet
rep also said he will direct to the consumer.
On Sep 15, 3:35 pm, avillage wrote:
> Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
> to
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM, avillage wrote:
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> Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
> to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
> reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
> Previously, I'd ridden an Avoc
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