I have these on a Saluki front and rear and am very pleased with them.
From: Ego Martini
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 4:35:19 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
White industries M15 hubs are pretty much bomb
White industries M15 hubs are pretty much bomb proof - they look perdy
- lighter than the Phil's and cost quite a bit less coin. I am not
saying they are better then a Phil hub but I've got one on the back of
my Bleriot and I am nothing but happy with it
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Hear hear! Yes, my apologies!
As much as I love my Phil wheel, I'd've stayed with XT hubs if I
hadn't had so many wheel issues previously OR if I'd wanted
particularly to stick with cassettes. And I believe I wouldn't have
had prior wheel problems if I weighed 225 instead of 250.
I'd save the mon
Is the original poster confused?? Sorry, the discussion around index
shifting got rather technical. Please let us know if there are any
unanswered questions!
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On my setup with an XT low-normal (Rapid Rise) derailer with an IRD 7-
spd freewheel on a PW hub, I use the appropriate limit screw to
prevent the derailer from being moved past the outer cog.
Theoretically, I guess, one could get the extra click by straining
hard on the shifter and either stretchi
you never get to the extra click if the limit screws are properly
set. The IRD freewheel cogs have moders 9/8 speed spacing and will
work with many modern shimano indexing systems. When the limit screws
are set, you will only get the required throw out of the shift lever.
Likewise, the silver shi
Can the the current ultregras be switched to 7sp or will there be an
extra "click?"
On Jul 19, 5:57 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean
wrote:
> Just a dissenting voice here... you *can* use 8-speed ultegra indexing
> shifters with a 7-speed IRD freewheel with perfectly satisfactory
> results.
>
> I'm sure the
Howdy.
It is probably a bit anti-RBW, but I would say if you have any concerns
about freewheels then skip the freewheel Phils. If you plan on indexing, or
think you might ever want it, skip the freewheel Phils. PW seems like a
great company, but among reputable brands any rear hub given reasonab
Just a dissenting voice here... you *can* use 8-speed ultegra indexing
shifters with a 7-speed IRD freewheel with perfectly satisfactory
results.
I'm sure the silver shifters are great; I have some I intend to set up
to see what they're like.
But the choice of friction versus ultegra 8-speed inde
I don't know. I'll tell you in 20,000 miles when mine wears out ;-)
BykMor
On Jul 18, 11:26 am, Philip Williamson
wrote:
> +1 on a Schmidt as the preferred hub upgrade.
>
> philip
> 97128
>
> On Jul 17, 10:02 pm, All Rounder 2000
> wrote:> I have bikes with PW (Freewheel), SunTour (FW), and Sh
I recently picked up a few "Shimano" free-wheels from my LBS (for my
Rivendells) at amazingly low prices. We'll see how they do.
I've not had any problems with IRD free wheels, the Sun-Race free
wheels I used a while back wore gear teeth quite quickly.
Angus
On Jul 19, 12:11 am, Powderpiggy wr
I used PW hubs and bottom brackets for years on a tandem, and on one
of my racing bikes.
Since everyone has covered the advantages, I'll mention one possible
negative:
PW hubs aren't all that sophisticated in terms of the bearing seals,
so if you use the hubs in extreme conditions, they may not y
> Chris King is a bit garish for a Betty Foy.
Sotto Voce CK headsets do not have that visible a logo. Same with the
Ti if you can afford it.
On Jul 19, 9:04 am, Ginz wrote:
> Here's a few upgrade ideas:
>
> Pedals - on a long ride, a nice, smooth pair of pedals with
> comfortable clips and str
Powderpiggy, I use FW's exclusively with 2 sets of Phil Touring
Hubs. I use mostly Sachs at present, but still have some Suntour
FW's. Because of the very inconsistent quality of the IRD's , I've
stayed away from them. I don't like IRD's cog selection on the 13-32
either, the 15-18 jump is too
If you are putting ten thousands of miles on the hub they may be worth
it.
In case you cycling where a hub problem would be catastrophic it would
be worth it.
If you mind repacking a shimano hub every year (or 10,000 miles) they
are worth it.
Shimano hubs are great. And for your intended purpose
Here's a few upgrade ideas:
Pedals - on a long ride, a nice, smooth pair of pedals with
comfortable clips and straps (if you use them) are a true luxury.
Check out the Grip Kings, White Industries Urban Pedals, Soma double-
toe straps and/or the VO leather-clap toe clips. Rectangular cage
pedals
I think they are worth it. Phils are a bit pricey (esp the cassette
hub) but are very well done.
On my road bikes I'm also in the "haven't touched the Phil hubs (or
BB) in over 10 years" camp.
I raced a Rivendell Cyclocross bike for four years, I replaced one non-
driveside rear bearing towards
So for those of you who are using IRD freewheels with your PW hubs,
what are your thoughts on the QC issues that IRD has had. The folks
at Rivendell seem to think the problems are over but reading various
online forums, I am not so sure.
Keely
On Jul 18, 10:26 am, Philip Williamson
wrote:
> +1
+1 on a Schmidt as the preferred hub upgrade.
philip
97128
On Jul 17, 10:02 pm, All Rounder 2000
wrote:
> I have bikes with PW (Freewheel), SunTour (FW), and Shimano hubs
> (Cassette).
> I agree with all I've seen here.
> For me, the most practical difference has been the "service after the
> s
I have bikes with PW (Freewheel), SunTour (FW), and Shimano hubs
(Cassette).
I agree with all I've seen here.
For me, the most practical difference has been the "service after the
sale."
On two occasions I've had slight "problems" with PW gear and a quick
phone call to PW HQ and the bearings or oth
I love index shifting for the rear wheel and expect it to perform
flawlessly. The 8-speed bar-end shifters RBW sells work every bit as
well with my 7-speed freewheel as my other bike's matched 8-speed
drivetrain. They both perform virtually flawlessly.
I have no experience riding a 6-speed drivetr
Tell us more about your build. We'll gladly spend your money.
On Jul 17, 11:44 am, Powderpiggy wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies. The PW 'Rivy' hubs probably would not
> break the bank while the PW cassette hubs would. But I was a little
> unsure about the freewheel but it sounds like mayb
Re-packing hubs is one of my favorite bike maintenance things to do. Just a
good feeling of satisfaction after completing it.
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 5:40 PM, EricP wrote:
> My Sam Hillborne has a Phil f/w rear hub. It's very nice. Very
> little dish and strong. Since building the wheel earl
My Sam Hillborne has a Phil f/w rear hub. It's very nice. Very
little dish and strong. Since building the wheel earlier this year,
have yet to touch it with a spoke wrench.
Another bike has Shimano XT hubs and I repacked the rear hub bearings
after about 1,000 miles.
That said - the repack was
I have always considered Phil Hubs but never took the plunge.My first
Riv was a Saluki w. 650b budget wheelset.I have since took the plunge
on Phil wheels and B.B..One wheelset is a cassette for my touring
Saluki,pricey though.The other is a Phil rear freewheel not to
pricey.They are both excellent
It true...I do need racks and bagsfenders...etc.
On Jul 17, 9:06 am, jamison brosseau
wrote:
> i would get a non budget shimano wheelset. those hubs last a long
> time, and with the money you save, you can afford to outfit your bike
> with all the racks and bags you will need.
> jamison
>
>
Thanks for all the replies.The PW 'Rivy' hubs probably would not
break the bank while the PW cassette hubs would. But I was a little
unsure about the freewheel but it sounds like maybe that should not be
so much of a concern.
Anything else you would recommend upgrading??
On Jul 17, 8:30 am,
On Jul 17, 4:49 pm, Bruce wrote:
> I have Phil hubs (FW) on the Ram and White Ind hubs on the Saluki.
how long have you had your WIs? I blew through the bearings on an H2
hub in a year - lots of wet miles though. replaced original bearings
with Phils.
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On Jul 16, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Powderpiggy wrote:
Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money?
I have one bike (tandem) with a 1984 Phil rear hub. It has never
needed servicing. I have another bike (Rivendell) with 14 year old
Phil hubs; they too have never needed servicing. Ditto the
i think that there is one additional consideration:
If you ever want indexed shifting, better get a cassette hub. That is
not to say you SHOULD ever want index shifting on that bike or that
you will ever NEED it. You won't find an 8 speed freewheel, nor will
you find 7 speed indexed bar end shift
stuff there. Even Nashbar
sells 6 & 7 speed FWs for $17.99l that actually work pretty well. That's what I
currently have on the Ram (13 - 32).
From: Patrick in VT
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 3:40:48 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Newbie here:
On Jul 17, 3:40 pm, andy wrote:
> Yes, They are worth it. I have ridden thousands of problem free miles
> on phil hubs
i'm sure there are folks on this list that have ridden ten of
thousands of miles on loose ball bearing/cup and cone hubs too. they
require a little more maintenance - but mainte
If you are fine with 7 speed and, especially if you are using the
Silver bar end shifters, the Phils are fantastic. 7 speed index
shifters and 8 speed freewheels are almost non existent. So, that's
why I raise that issue.
7speed freewheels are still very available and relatively cheap. If
you are
Yes, They are worth it. I have ridden thousands of problem free miles
on phil hubs, I got my first set in the mid 1970s and they are still
running.
On Jul 16, 5:02 pm, Powderpiggy wrote:
> I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's
> online since as long as they have
Yes, they are worth it - if you like stuff that will out live you that
you can pass on to a special person.
IRD makes great freewheels and parts.
On Jul 16, 2:02 pm, Powderpiggy wrote:
> I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's
> online since as long as they have be
i would get a non budget shimano wheelset. those hubs last a long
time, and with the money you save, you can afford to outfit your bike
with all the racks and bags you will need.
jamison
On Jul 17, 11:30 am, rperks wrote:
> I love mine, five or 6 speeds in the rear is all I seem to need. I
>
I love mine, five or 6 speeds in the rear is all I seem to need. I
think with the Foy you can get a dishless 7 speed wheel build that
will be very strong and last a very long time as others have stated.
If you are heavy or plan to load the rear the benifits of added
strength and even spoke length
You're on target about upgrading wheels. I have two bikes with Phil
Wood freewheel hubs. Other than a polish now and then I haven't
touched them in twelve years! Freewheel hubs are less expensive than
the cassette hubs and there still seems to be a good availability of
freewheels. Unless the Phils
On Jul 16, 5:02 pm, Powderpiggy wrote:
I am hugely
> intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs
> that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my
> only bike has a cassette.
phil hubs are great. and so are white industries' and chris king's.
but
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