[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-29 Thread SFF
I'm new to Rivendell (6 months or so) but I'm making up for lost time! All my hobbies are pre contact: Martin guitar, vintage audio - McIntosh/Klipsch/Dual/vinyl, backpacking/hiking/nature (1978 Kelty pack), organic gardening, poetry, cooking and keeping a healthly lifestyle going. Current favorite

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-29 Thread Lynne Fitz
besides ride the bike? :-) knitting, mostly socks, but I venture into Fair Isle (including Alice Starmore stuff) and lace as well. spinning yarn on both a drop spindle and a wheel reading playing with pictures I've taken fountain pens - I have quite a few, but no new ones in awhile. I think I hav

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-28 Thread Oliver S.
Not to turn this into a book club, but I got a used copy of this from a relative and read it. Had no idea it had been mentioned in the RR and glad you guys enjoy it too. Fantastic descriptions of being in Alaska. Oliver On Apr 26, 9:14 am, "Darin G." wrote: > I lived in Alaska for 13 years. Ther

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-28 Thread Philip Williamson
I was reading these great posts, and thinking "darn, I don't have any hobbies!" Except oh yeah - I paint, and I take analog photos sometimes, and I screenprint tee-shirts in my garage sometimes. I sculpt. And I make omelets every morning with eggs from our chickens or our friends' chickens. I have

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-28 Thread Patrick in VT
On Apr 27, 10:28 pm, "Bill M." wrote: > > Tangent for mando fans - Lynn Dudenbostel used to post on the Kogswell > list. I don't think anyone else there knew who he was. yeah, i used to get a kick out of that. and i found it very interesting that he made his way to kogswell and discovered that

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2010-04-27 Thread Me
These days my hobby's are my life, my life are my hobby's. I've worked really hard at seeing no difference between what needs done, and what I want to do. There is only now-as opposed to 'after I am done with that, I'll enjoy this'. Work is Play, Play is Work. Started out a jazz musician. Play

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2010-04-27 Thread Michael_S
Boy. I'm starting to feel LTA. I don't play guitar or fly fish. I do enjoy good coffee, but only decaf espresso. Caffeine makes me crazy. Fishing only in the backcountry with some ultralight spinning gear. I have to ride or hike there. no pick up truck fishing! Beer, I certainly enjoy hand crafted

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2010-04-27 Thread Leslie
It would be more accurate to say that fly-fishing led me to Rivendell, actually Mountain Sports Limited in Bristol VA, a Rivendell dealer, is also an Orvis fly shop. I was in there talking to Patrick when I noticed the Rivendells. That's how I got to know Bobby and Steve. But, an older hob

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Bill M.
On Apr 27, 4:58 pm, EricP wrote: > Sigh. No.  Not to his workshop.  Have met him a number of times.  And > have played his mandolins, and want to try his guitars. > > For the non-players, Mr. Brentrup makes mandolins like Richard Sachs > makes bicycles.  Absolute top tier quality. > > Eric Platt >

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
In high school, living in one of the many remote parts of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan with several thousand wild acres in my backyard, I was fanatic about hunting and trapping. And when I did those things, I prefered to use the tools and methods used by my grandfather or great-grandfather, rath

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2010-04-27 Thread EricP
Sigh. No. Not to his workshop. Have met him a number of times. And have played his mandolins, and want to try his guitars. For the non-players, Mr. Brentrup makes mandolins like Richard Sachs makes bicycles. Absolute top tier quality. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 27, 8:15 am, Patrick in VT

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 11:52 -0400, Ken Freeman wrote: > Would you recommend 531 or Columbus? Yes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread David Faller
h this:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/suntour-dynamo-wheel/18-275 And carry the supplies here:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-saddlesack-small/20-131 From: kps To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 1:08:25 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Hobbies

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread soapscum
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2010-04-27 Thread andrew hill
his: > http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/suntour-dynamo-wheel/18-275 > > And carry the supplies here: > http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-saddlesack-small/20-131 > > > From: kps > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 1:08:25 PM > Subject: [RBW]

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Bruce
-small/20-131 From: kps To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 1:08:25 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle hi justin, i'm into coffee too... i just bought a handcrank grinder that i'm quite happy with for g

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2010-04-27 Thread kps
hi justin, i'm into coffee too... i just bought a handcrank grinder that i'm quite happy with for grinding my morning brew. it's the Hario Skerton (i think Skerton was originally supposed to read "Skeleton" but it got translated as Skerton). it's something of a ritual, grinding the beans each morn

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread bfd
On Apr 26, 4:35 pm, Steve wrote: > Keeping my fleet of antique Volvos on the road for use when the Riv is > best left in the garage.  My website helps you get your Volvo to a > million miles or beyond:http://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/ > Steve > Volvos? Ha, I'm a BMW guy :) Seriously, and I

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Brad Gantt
Okay, so it sounds like we might have the makings of a Rivendell fly- fishing overnight. I too like to wave a stick around whilst standing in a river, play guitar (Taylor) and hand drums (djembe, etc.). I also enjoy climbing, backpacking and sea kayaking as well as an occasional surf (longboard), c

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread PATRICK MOORE
My mother has a 10 lb, 5" inner diameter mortar with matching pestle (~3lb) both machined from solid stainless steel billet in Pakistan. I am careful not to drop either on my foot. I've used it for coffee, but prefer a cheap Braun grinder. Talk about heirloom quality! On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:52

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Ken Freeman
Would you recommend 531 or Columbus? On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Too complicated; like indexed shifting. What you really want is a steel > mortar and pestle. > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Ken Freeman wrote: > >> Handcrank grinder - hmmm a little upper body and

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Too complicated; like indexed shifting. What you really want is a steel mortar and pestle. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Ken Freeman wrote: > Handcrank grinder - hmmm a little upper body and arm work ... > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Justin August wrote: > >> I listen to records a fair

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Ken Freeman
Handcrank grinder - hmmm a little upper body and arm work ... On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Justin August wrote: > I listen to records a fair amount. > > I am also becoming obsessed with coffee. My friend documents his > (over) obsession at BitterPress.com but I'm just in search of the > easi

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Justin August
I listen to records a fair amount. I am also becoming obsessed with coffee. My friend documents his (over) obsession at BitterPress.com but I'm just in search of the easiest method of creation. I need a handcrank grinder. On Apr 27, 10:09 am, Ken Freeman wrote: > I guess I don't really have a Ri

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Ken Freeman
I guess I don't really have a Riv style, save liking good comfortable steel sport-toury bikes that don't lean me over too far. But, complementary hobbies: Fountain pens - Sheaffers, Parkers, Pelikans Tube Audio: Mac, Eico, and Dynaco vintage tube stereo stuff, even some Harmon Kardon Citation. C

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Tim McNamara
Other hobbies besides bicycling? What do you mean? I kid. My other main avocational interest is playing guitar, mostly jazz and Grateful Dead music, a little blues (electric and fingerstyle). I started studying guitar in 1978 and got serious about it in 1979 and had jazz lessons until 19

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Patrick in VT
On Apr 27, 8:28 am, EricP wrote: > As for instruments - besides acoustic guitars, own a couple of > mandolins, a uke, a banjo and a guitar-banjo. Mostly playing old-time > stringband music. Eric - between Hiawatha and the twin-city acoustic music scene, you're bases are pretty well covered, huh?

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread EricP
Had thought of selling my Leica M4-P a while ago. However, it's been through enough that it's not worth much anymore. Including damage about a decade or so ago that required about a half hour of work to get the base plate back on. Still works. As for instruments - besides acoustic guitars, own

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I'll chime in: I don't have any real "hobbies" except cycling, though I have interests; but I do cook my own food, buying mostly basic, unprocessed ingredients. (Well, cheese; wine, salami ... ok, not so much ...) I tend not to cook for myself, but when Catie is with me, it's pancakes, waffles, hom

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Rob Harrison
On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Phil Brown wrote: Photography with a Leica. I'm trying to sell my Leica MP to finance a Rivendell...! I'll keep my OM-1md though, faithful foto friend ever since 1976. This is a great thread--what an interesting bunch y'all are! Rob in Seattle -- You receiv

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2010-04-26 Thread Calm54
My hobbies are fly-fishing for Trout on rivers and outdoor photography. I really understand the bamboo rod experience. Now that is something I could get into... On Apr 26, 7:41 am, Bridgestone wrote: > You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has > owning a Rivendell ope

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Bill M.
I can't claim to be all-steel/tweed/shellac or that Rivendell has influenced my other hobbies, but many of my other interests have been mentioned. Mandolin? Check, a Weber Hyalite. I don't think anyone mentioned ukulele, but there are a couple of those around here too. Tube audio? I've built a c

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2010-04-26 Thread RonaTD
My hobby is work, so I can afford to buy more stuff from Rivendell. td -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rb

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2010-04-26 Thread charlie
Well..I don't fly fish, switched to digital after photographing for 30+ years with film, play the mandolin and harmonicas, and enjoy competitive target shooting. I like to camp and have done so when bicycle touring so I like the idea of doing the overnight camping trips by bicycle. I enjoy writ

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2010-04-26 Thread rob markwardt
I collect Rivendell Readers. Just acquired the elusive #10...had to buy a whole bunch of other stuff, including a Bridgestone apron...which my wife wore yesterday while cooking...DOH! to get it... but collection complete! Does anybody collect Rivendell bikes? I've got the OCD (obsessive collecti

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2010-04-26 Thread Me
Small world! We have used your site a couple times in the past... how cool is that?! Ha, small world indeed. -Scott On Apr 26, 4:35 pm, Steve wrote: > Keeping my fleet of antique Volvos on the road for use when the Riv is > best left in the garage.  My website helps you get your Volvo to a > m

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Patrick in VT
On Apr 26, 8:44 pm, "i.e." wrote: > I play old-time fiddle, banjo, and guitar: DIY music. nice to see so many musicians in this bunch, especially of the acoustic variety. it's not surprising - luthiery and framebuilding have a lot in common; making music and riding bikes are good for the soul.

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2010-04-26 Thread i.e.
I play old-time fiddle, banjo, and guitar: DIY music. Isaac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu

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2010-04-26 Thread Steve
Keeping my fleet of antique Volvos on the road for use when the Riv is best left in the garage. My website helps you get your Volvo to a million miles or beyond: http://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/ Steve On Apr 26, 9:41 am, Bridgestone wrote: > You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac k

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Ron MH
I too use a Leica M and shoot black and white film. I've been shooting since I was about 17 and with a Leica for the last 20+ years. On Apr 26, 11:35 am, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Bridgestone wrote: > > You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl

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2010-04-26 Thread EricP
My wife is still fairly adamant that she only wants one bike. Have been able to get her to change that bike, but only after we found a buyer for the last one. Like KPS enjoy photography with a film Leica. Also playing acoustic guitars. Main one right now is one a friend built. 00 size rosewo

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2010-04-26 Thread kps
hey seth, funny, i hadn't thought about grant's comment that seven is a good number of bikes. i guess i said 'more than i'm supposed to have' because of an earlier thread i ran across a few days ago (a thread from back in 2007, i think) where beth h. was mentioning that it's more rare than not f

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2010-04-26 Thread Mojo
Interesting replies. For me, cycling has been part of an aerobic outdoors lifestyle that included running, hiking, climbing, and cross- country skiing. Clean oxygen-fed sport as XCZone.tv has called it. I know longer do the running or climbing. But the Riv/BOB bent was a decision to keep the gear l

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2010-04-26 Thread jinxed
I tinker with old watches ad am getting into recycling old leather into watch straps. Shave with a 1950's DE Gillette Superspeed. Sewing, although not as much since I had to sell my Bernina 950 due to space issues. Woodblock printing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

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2010-04-26 Thread Phil Brown
Photography with a Leica. Phil Brown -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegr

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2010-04-26 Thread JoelMatthews
> Looking forward to being able to use it again. I am sure it will sound great. On Apr 26, 12:34 pm, Bill Connell wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:51 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > >> I have an old tube radio that i'm planning to rebuild (recap) when i get a > >> spare > >> weekend. > > > Love a

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2010-04-26 Thread soqer...@gmail.com
Shoot things with feathers Eat them Use feathers to tie flies Catch trout Eat them On Apr 26, 7:41 am, Bridgestone wrote: > You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has > owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies? > > I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Bill Connell
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:51 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: >> I have an old tube radio that i'm planning to rebuild (recap) when i get a >> spare >> weekend. > > Love audio tubes.  What make?  This will be fun. It's a GE, probably early 60s, it was my grandfather's garage radio for as long as i coul

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2010-04-26 Thread Bill Gibson
Busted. All of the above, except for guitar, and the fact that fly fishing in the lower Sonoran desert scrub doesn't make much sense right now. I make my flies, too, when I live near water. Someday, soon, again. Time is a problem lately. Add Photography! I've ridden my bikes to fish and photograph

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2010-04-26 Thread William
I make stuff by hand and have a store on etsy. On Apr 26, 7:41 am, Bridgestone wrote: > You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has > owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies? > > I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long > class in the Cats

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2010-04-26 Thread RoadieRyan
S24O's Tinkering on old steel 10 speeds On Apr 26, 10:12 am, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:09 PM, kps wrote: > > i'm a female who enjoys (in no particular order): > > > bicycles and bicycling (i have five bicyles, with two more to arrive > > soon, which folks say > > is more tha

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:09 PM, kps wrote: > i'm a female who enjoys (in no particular order): > > bicycles and bicycling (i have five bicyles, with two more to arrive > soon, which folks say > is more than i'm supposed to have, being female. I love tinkering > with them, too.  they are great too

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread kps
i'm a female who enjoys (in no particular order): bicycles and bicycling (i have five bicyles, with two more to arrive soon, which folks say is more than i'm supposed to have, being female. I love tinkering with them, too. they are great tools and works of art, imo.) all my bikes are steel, yes.

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread JoelMatthews
> I have an old tube radio that i'm planning to rebuild (recap) when i get a > spare > weekend. Love audio tubes. What make? This will be fun. On Apr 26, 11:19 am, Bill Connell wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Bridgestone wrote: > > You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kin

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2010-04-26 Thread happyriding
By the way, did you ever see the pictures of the Vanilla fishing bike? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw

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2010-04-26 Thread happyriding
On Apr 26, 8:41 am, Bridgestone wrote: > > I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long > class in the Catskills and built my own bamboo fly rod. I'm hooked now > (hell yes, pun intended!) > Nice. They are beautiful, aren't they? Making one yourself and then fishing it with

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Darin G.
I lived in Alaska for 13 years. There is no better read than Coming Into the Country. Just thinking about it makes me unbearably homesick. D.G. On Apr 26, 9:36 am, Mike wrote: > I like to read. John McPhee is a favorite. His name and references to > his book Coming Into the Country have appeare

[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Darin G.
This post has me thinking about guitars, fly fishing, and cycling. Long before I bought a Riv I acquired a taste for woody Martin guitars and and favored my Winston traditional trout rod over my Sage artillery pieces. My fly boxes are adorned with modern bead-headed and foam flies (trout bling), b

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:43 AM, wrote: > Is eating a hobby? > > Only if you do it yourself. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this g

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2010-04-26 Thread rswatson
Is eating a hobby? Ride to eat, eat to ride! On Apr 26, 2010, at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: >> Oh, I think it counts. I think they both count utterly. Any hobby that > centers around a more calorie-burning, sustainable, self-sufficient, > fun-yet-useful activity fits the Rivendell philosoph

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2010-04-26 Thread wile
Agreed - I don't collect fountain pens except for use, and use them fairly exclusively. I also brew my own beer. Dylan On Apr 26, 7:48 am, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Bruce wrote: > > Fountain pen restoration/collecting > > I don't restore them but I use them  fairly

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2010-04-26 Thread Mike
I like to read. John McPhee is a favorite. His name and references to his book Coming Into the Country have appeared in the RR on more than one occasion if I remember correctly. There's lots of Rivish stuff I can appreciate like fly fishing, hiking, backpacking, craftwork, etc but my time is limit

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2010-04-26 Thread JoelMatthews
> Oh, I think it counts. I think they both count utterly. Any hobby that centers around a more calorie-burning, sustainable, self-sufficient, fun-yet-useful activity fits the Rivendell philosophy as I understand it. Agree. Self supporting and sustainable. I don't have a yard, so gardening is out