[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-15 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Well, the measurements are in. The spindle is in fact 107mm and appears to be symmetrical. So, I'm guessing the issue is with the machining of my particular XD2. This is okay as far as I'm concerned. I have no riding problems with the Q-factor or chainline I have with the 113mm BB. Yours, Thomas

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-06 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
This thread is kinda funny in light of another recent discussion re: external bearing triples, during which one commentator expressed reluctance to "fight" with various standards and incompatibilities of external BBs. Never used a VO BB, except the French ones, but I've used XD cranks hundreds of t

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-05 Thread oldmangabe
I am putting my money on it being the crank not being machined properly. On the drive side, at the square taper interface, the cranks should be turned down a bit so that one can run a short BB spindle. This will allow the cranks to snug into the driveside bb cup without binding the crank to the

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-05 Thread franklyn
I have similar experience with Thomas. I recently put a XD500 crankset on my wife's Trek 620. The crank was previously mounted on a Shimano UN54 107mm bottom bracket and worked fine. I tried 2 bottom brackets I had in my parts bin--a 107mm IRD XB-75 bottom bracket and a 113mm VO bottom bracket, on

Re: [RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-05 Thread CycloFiend
on 7/5/10 9:25 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean at thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: > Don't know about symmetrical vs. asymmetrical. I can measure it when I > get a chance. Wouldn't it be symmetrical unless otherwise indicated? > Perhaps you're suggesting it's out of alignment somehow? Some of the Shimano

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-05 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
I can see your point. Though the fact is that *mine* are incompatible, so I think the word is correctly used. I acknowledge that someone might interpret that as meaning they are known to be uniformly incompatible. But that's a reach without reading the thread, where I definitely speak only of mine.

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-05 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Didn't measure it but will do so. Don't see how a spacer matters; a spacer wouldn't change the position of the spindle relative to the driveside face of the BB, would it? Don't know what the chainline is on the Truvativ 113mm BB; that's too tricky to measure for me to get it right. I can certainly

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-05 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Don't know about symmetrical vs. asymmetrical. I can measure it when I get a chance. Wouldn't it be symmetrical unless otherwise indicated? Perhaps you're suggesting it's out of alignment somehow? As far as I know, the BB cartridge and the drive-side cup are one unit on this BB; it was the drive-s

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-05 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Hmmm well, the crankset was purchased new from RBW within the last year or so. It had been mounted once. I used a torque wrench and did not exceed the maximum torque on written on the crank arm bolts. If the tapers are blown out, it's amazingly easy to do. I'll find out over time I guess (when

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-05 Thread Jeremy Till
Hm, i find that really odd as I run a VO *103mm* with an XD2 double to get good chainlines with my dingle cog. The crank is *right* up against the cup, but the machining around the taper hole on the crank does its job and there's no interference. Is this one of the newer XD2 with that machining?

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-05 Thread Garth
JIS tapers can and do vary from brand to brand. Some of the tapers fit in further than others. From my experience, they can vary as much as 4mm total, or 2mm each side. Couple of things. 1. Did you measure the actual length of the VO BB? 2. Did you try using a 2mm driveside spacer underneath th

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-05 Thread cyclofiend
Few questions on this one... Does the VO BB have an asymmetrical spindle? Or are you sure that the bb cartridge is correctly seated against the cup? Are you talking about the "Grand Cru" or the "Threadless" version? Have you measured the bb spindle to make sure it is as advertised? - Jim On J

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-04 Thread charlie
That sounds kind of odd to me. I use a 107 BB with a Sugino and never had crank arm interference. Actually I've used three different Sugino triple cranks and one FSA square taper crank with the 107mm sized BB and no problems at all. I'll bet that bottom bracket or the crank arm is machined over siz

[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

2010-07-04 Thread Justin August
Did you check with VO and/or try other samples of either products? I think it's premature to call them "incompatible" after only one test case. On Jul 4, 10:43 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > Hi! > > I tried to mount a Sugino XD2 crank from RBW on a 107mm VO bottom > bracket and couldn't make it w